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bubblybubbles@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.ml · 2 days ago

Azerbaijan President Comes Out as Russophobe, Calls Russia 'Genetic Occupier', 'Aggressor'

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Azerbaijan President Comes Out as Russophobe, Calls Russia 'Genetic Occupier', 'Aggressor'

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Azerbaijan’s President Ilham Aliyev accused Russia of occupying both Azerbaijan and Ukraine, citing historical grievances and criticizing Moscow for worsening relations
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  • muhyb@programming.dev
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    If you lived next to Russia (also lived under), you would know. Those aren’t wrong.

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      Azerbaijan is committing ethnic cleansing in Nagorno-Karabakh. This would have never happened in the USSR

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        Yeah sure, these would have never happened in USSR:

        • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union
        • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_the_Soviet_Union
        • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De-Cossackization
        • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Meskhetian_Turks
        • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Chechens_and_Ingush
        • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
        • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

        Also, it’s a conflict: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh_conflict

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          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Meskhetian_Turks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Chechens_and_Ingush

          I can do the same and dump a list of massacres and population transfers before & after the fall of the USSR and it would be far greater than all these lists combined. If so called ‘Russification’ was the goal why would Lenin and Stalin create separate constituent states for the ethnicities of the USSR? I admit that resettlement is bad, but in resolving the contradictions of creating ethnic states in a former imperialist & colonialist empire they must take steps to avoid intra-ethnic conflict between the states (Which dates back centuries), which when they stopped doing in the mid to late 80s, led to all of the conflicts seen in the former USSR today.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De-Cossackization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

          “According to Nicolas Werth, one of the authors of The Black Book of Communism…” are you even trying at this point?

          Holodomor was a famine, common in the area for hundreds of years before the USSR, it was also the last

          “An estimated 800,000 to 1,200,000 people died during the purges of the 1930s” If such a large amount of people died, can you see it in population statistics?

          Also, it’s a conflict: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh_conflict

          Take more than a surface look at this ‘conflict’

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            My point wasn’t dumping, I just wanted to show there are dedicated lists regarding USSR. Did those things happened? Yes. Did people suffer? Yes. Did millions die because of those policies? Yes. Nothing’s gonna change that. They solved their problems by doing that. That solution was the problem for others. However, victors shape the history.

            Also conflict means it’s not one-sided.

            By the way, I don’t know about “The Black Book of Communism”. What’s wrong with that?

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      imperial russia and other related polities as they were before and as they are after are just matryoshkas (heh) of chauvinism. there were no saints before, there are no saints now. the soviet union, as bad as it was, was your best bet on actual civilization and the fact that every single crook that sat on the kremlin and on neighbouring countries talk against it shows well what they are.

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        Even if it’s biased you know what you’re talking about. They were victors and they created a civilization. However if they were the best bet, things must have been really bad there (now wondering a background to that, I don’t really know about “Rise of Moscow” parts of the history). The problem is and always was those administrative crooks.

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