The power trip / ban doesn’t bother me, but the misinformation does. They present as leftist, but flare up around US elections discouraging voter turnout via ‘bOtH siDeS’ garbage. that only ever elevates shit like MAGA.
In the linked thread, OP promotes rioting while discouraging voter turnout. My comments agreed with activism like riots, but pointed out that it’s not an either-or thing. You can riot -and- vote; and even if you don’t have it in you to riot, still do vote.
Banned.
You can see my removed comment quoted in the post after mine.
This ‘blue MAGA’ tankie shit is somehow worse than the loud-and-clear MAGA shit over on Reddit - at least those neonazis were honest about who they were.
Anywho, YSK. Spaces like r/conservative were clearly labeled and easy to avoid; LateStageCapitalism@lemmy.world presents as a cause worth rallying around, but only until you peel up the veneer and see that they’re the same fucking thing.
Also please vote. In addition to whatever flavor of activism tickles your fancy.
Note to all: This is not the place to get on your “VOTE” soapboaxes. Stick to judging the moderation action.
Sorry, will do from now on.
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And one of the main ways to judge posts is to VOTE them up or down. Hmmm.
Not in this comm. Check the sticky
They even mention voting for 3rd parties in their rules.
lesser evil rhetoric
Uh yeah? That’s the whole point haha
I think I will opt for civility and choose to endorse free speech, whether in an echo-chamber or not.
Ahhh shit, here we go again
This is the fifth one I am seeing
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They present as leftist, but flare up around US elections discouraging voter turnout via ‘bOtH siDeS’ garbage. that only ever elevates shit like MAGA.
Trying to hijack a community like latestagecapitalism to tell people to vote for more latestagecapitalism is peak. Writing off everything to the left of you conservative tells me the mods were absolutely right in banning you.
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This ‘blue MAGA’ tankie shit is somehow worse than the loud-and-clear MAGA shit over on Reddit - at least those neonazis were honest about who they were.
Okay, so we should say our goodbyes then?
I judge the moderation action as Lemmy typical shillness. Incidentally, remember, propaganda usually tries to play both sides, promoting disengagement and engagement where it suits them.
Hilarious how folks can actually believe that socialists are the blue MAGA as opposed to the genocidal democrats and DSA. It is so feeble and tired.
I see someone didn’t read the rules…
PTB. Everyone should be voting in this election. People like that boil all nuance down to two black and white naive takes:
- That you are either a voter OR you go out and protest. In reality there is nothing stopping you from doing both.
- That you should not vote because there is no unicorn candidate. In reality there will never be a perfect candidate.
I have voted in every election in the last 20 years, local, state, federal - and I have yet to see a candidate that I agree with completely. It will never happen. Expecting change tomorrow is a naive take. Slow incremental change is the only change I’ve seen on this planet. You are going to need to compromise on candidates, because it’s always a bad and a worse candidate, and not voting means you are okay with the worse candidate. It’s happening right now, and people are shocked pikachu of what happened in the last election. The reason is simple, people didn’t vote.
Conservatives desperately want us to not go and vote. That should really tell you everything. Does it mean you have to agree with the candidate on everything? Absolutely not. Does it mean that your morals are the same as the person you voted for? Also absolutely not. Politics is usually voting against things you don’t want than voting for things you do. People are strange complex creatures, and you’ll never find a candidate who agrees with you. (Yes, even in multiple party scenarios).
If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice
Imagine handing your country to fascists because you’re too much of a little bitch to engage in your own democracy. I feel so lucky to be able to vote in my country. It’s my responsibility and I am privileged to have it. It was earned by the blood of MILLIONS.
Some peoples ethics or morals prevent them from supporting genocide. Who knew? Maybe the issue is that the leaders refused to not do a genocide?
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I’m curious as to what you replied to them, lol. Pm me?
He said “least deranged liberal. You think Kamala was gonna stop it?”
Personally, I don’t think Kamala Harris would have spent billions of dollars making oil more expensive and dismantling the assets of the US government.
What did she mean when she said she was going to have the most lethal military on the planet? Why was Liz cheny standing next to her on stage?
If Kamala had won, do you think she would have bombed iran before or after the genocide in Gaza was all wrapped up?
I don’t think anyone who ran against trump, Republican or otherwise, would be stupid enough to do what he did.
I think you’re giving Americans, republican or otherwise, too much credit. Trump isn’t the smartest American, but he’s far from the stupidest.
Death to America 👍
I have voted in every election in the last 20 years, local, state, federal
Has literally anything improved?
Big two I fought for were for gay marriage and health care. Gay marriage was not legal when I was growing up and we had no state sponsored healthcare. Right now we have both of those thanks to people getting out and making their voices heard. Everyone rallied behind those two things and they happened.
Now they are at risk because people have become complacent. Sinicism and complacency go hand in hand. You do that and things like Roe get repealed, and now I’m worried we’ll backslide on these issues because people don’t care anymore.
And yet the death and destruction done by your country continues to increase. Fossil fuel production continues to increase.
Okay “Nonconfrontational” you’re obviously just wanting to stir something up, and I’m not going to give you what you want. Go find someone else.
Listen I’m glad you got your human rights recognized but do you not think the lives of tens of thousands of brown children are worth rioting in the streets until change is made? Or is it only now that colonialism abroad has become fascism at home that you give a fuck?
Slow incremental change is the only change I’ve seen on this planet.
Only positive progressive change is slow and incremental. Regressives and authoritarians are able to pull off change pretty fast when they realize the system is too slow to stop them and won’t punish them for wrecking everything.
That is why it is important to vote in every election to mitigate the damage they want to do.
Good correction. Legislating is slow, rolling back is fast.
(Relatedly; we’re voting for the lesser of evils mostly because of the voting system we’re using. RTV improves on this substantially, is used in several federal elections across the country, and has reasonable appeal in many places.)
Wow. Your post is so reasonable, strongly in favour of rioting, correctly identifying it as better than voting, just allowing for voting. And still banned.
I’ve blocked a lot of PTB comms because of all the trolly libs calling anyone left of Schumer a tankie then whining about being banned from leftist spaces, but this is a bonkers ban. And from .world as well, not even a leftist instance. 🤷
To save folks a click:
Brace yourself for an apparently super edgy hot take:
Rioting > voting
rioting & voting > just rioting
just voting > nothing at all
Discouraging voting or rioting = supporting the status quo.
Discouraging voting or rioting = supporting the status quo.
To be silent in the face of oppression is to stand with the oppressor.
That’s… that’s it? What’s ban worthy about that?
I can’t disagree with that at all. I don’t think any reasonable person could.
Yeah that’s not a serious community. Like I can understand why an anarchist would be vehemently opposed to voting, but a socialist? No. PTB.
Edit: and furthermore, if they’re so against voting, why haven’t they disabled both downvotes AND upvotes, and only use just the other sort algorithms?
Anarchist here: voting might be the least important, least effective action you take … but as long as the state still holds power, you should still do it.
Most anarchist are quite supportive of voting, they would just rather have a direct democracy. The real issue for most is hierarchy. Ofcourse, that’s not true for all anarchists.
Edit: and furthermore, if they’re so against voting, why haven’t they disabled both downvotes AND upvotes, and only use just the other sort algorithms?
Anti-electoralists are not necessarily against voting in literally all circumstances. We’re against voting for candidates for political office.
anarchist here. Absolutely against voting and especially against electoralism
Tell me, how would an anarchist self governed community make decisions as a group?
Exactly. Left-anarchist myself, and the only way is, surprise, voting. Voting and debating. Democracy, for god’s sake. A leader doesn’t necessarily means higher hierarchy; what it really means (or should mean) is just higher responsability with the capacity of fulfilling it.
You’re never going to get a reasonable answer from them if you get any answer at all. Anarchism only works until the difficult questions start getting asked. This is why there is no anarchist society on the planet other than some extremely small communities that would more reasonably be considered communes.
I’m talking about electoralist voting, not voting in general. Check out our instance governance rules
I don’t see any rule you broke so this is a pretty open and shut PTB for me.
That said, no great loss since these LSC communities are all millenarian fantasy dumpster fires. Capitalism ain’t goin nowhere on its own.
the only leftists i’ve ever met that were serious people were the ones i’ve met in person. terminally online leftists just post through it and have nothing else. they post big endgame-level ideas, but if you ask them how they plan to get there, you get dogpiled and called a nazi. it’s roleplaying for attention on social media.
I do notice every communist over the age of 20 I meet IRL is an fascinating conversationalist, while the terminally online lemmy.mls have been almost universally insufferable.
I’ve never met a serious liberal, lol.
Luckily you disproved the point by bringing a plan with you, instead of commenting a zillion times just whining about how nobody is serious and nothing ever changes.
A total fucking anchor TBF, exactly described by the guy you replied to.
Please, more incoherent babbling to go with my morning coffee.
Capitalism ain’t goin nowhere on its own.
Well, sure it is. It’s going to fascism on its own.
(And I’d say, once you get into the full fascist stage, it’s no longer strictly speaking ‘capitalist’ anymore. I’d define capitalism as ‘rule by capital’, but once fascism gets sufficiently entrenched, that’s no longer really the case. At that point, power is no longer determined mainly by how much money you have, it becomes determined by your closeness and standing with the regime’s leaders. Having lots of money often facilitates that, but it’s no longer the primary driving factor – the primary driving factor becomes ideological purity/loyalty and political pandering to the regime. And even those with lots of money can still easily fall out of favor with the regime for any ideological misstep, any perceived threat to or disagreement with the leader, and even those with large amounts of money can still be purged from the regime at a moment’s notice. If it’s possible for the regime’s leader to suddenly decide he doesn’t like you, so then the regime takes your capital away and gives it to someone more regime-friendly, that’s not capitalism anymore.)
I personally doubt it will be replaced by fascism globally as it’s simply too unstable an ideology, despite some current trends in that direction.
Well, no – it will never be globally all at once, at least not in the current geopolitical landscape. It will happen to one country at a time. And then when that fascist country inevitably attacks its neighbors, fascism tries to spread that way.
Though I do wonder if, with the rise of globalism and powerful international corporations headed by fascist pricks, it might eventually end up being a more or less global phenomenon.
Personal armies will be very fashionable for the elites.
Being banned from latestagecapitalism is an honor. They have conservative mods. You can be banned there for criticizing conservatism or saying things that are too far from Fox News talking points.
Not really sure how or why we end up with conservative mods in these communities, but it really ruins them.
LateStageCapitalism is run by a sole moderator who is either a foreign shill or so stupid that they’re doing their work for them for free.
He bans anyone that goes against his narrative. I am by no means the only person that has spoken out against that sub and its mod. It’s becoming public knowledge at this point that the sub is compromised.
They have communist mods, I think they’re Marxists. I’d respect you more if you at least said you’re against the “extreme left” or something like that instead of pretending that everyone who isn’t liberal is conservative or secretly conservative.
