So because the choices are evil or useless, you say nothing is preferable which ultimately gives evil the victory.
Dems suck. They have my whole life.
Republicans vary from stupid to straight up evil.
In a choice between “sucks” and “evil,” I know which I choose every time. In case it isn’t clear to you, I am of the firm stance that something that sucks can be tolerated or even turned into something beneficial in the long run. Evil is just evil and has no place in society.
“Don’t support the dems” hands Republicans everything they want.
I wish the blues had a spine or even a real platform from which to launch anything sensible. At least with Obama he made healthcare his platform, and he was so adamant about it that even the Republicans had to deal with it. Was it a stunning success? No, because it was shot full of holes in congress and crippled before it ever got off the ground by the original McConnell group. Obama was not at all representative of my beliefs in most of the rest of his actions, but the man did his best to effect positive change. Nobody else has done that or anything close since, and prior to that we have to go all the way back to the Depression and public works programs to find anything similarly beneficial to the public. Oh, and Social Security. Which has been gutted by - wait for it - Republicans.
Dems are responsible for allowing the overton window to shift so far right and they are rightfully vilified by actual lefties for it.
And DSA is the first incremental step back towards that. You form a third party and see how far you get without Citizens United money.
It is a horseshit sandwich, but it’s what we’ve got right now. Perfect can’t be the enemy of good, especially right now.
Enemy of my enemy and all, nahmean?
Edit: more accurately, the more we can do to frustrate the actual evil, the more time we ultimately have to find the real solution. Again, it isn’t perfect, but its the solution we currently have.
At least they can vote. Many people don’t have that luxury. Yet they threw it away first chance. What’s next? ‘oh no one votes, so we should cancel elections next time?’ They have no idea how good they have it.
Yeah IMO the closest we have to conservatives here are the Tankies, which can come across as MAGA at first glance because they both like licking boots.
‘well, I didn’t vote for him’
‘both sides are the same’
‘why do you support genocide?’
‘no wars president’
‘he knows how to run it like a business’
‘im a fucking moron’
^^^all the above groups are the same
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So because the choices are evil or useless, you say nothing is preferable which ultimately gives evil the victory.
Dems suck. They have my whole life.
Republicans vary from stupid to straight up evil.
In a choice between “sucks” and “evil,” I know which I choose every time. In case it isn’t clear to you, I am of the firm stance that something that sucks can be tolerated or even turned into something beneficial in the long run. Evil is just evil and has no place in society.
“Don’t support the dems” hands Republicans everything they want.
I wish the blues had a spine or even a real platform from which to launch anything sensible. At least with Obama he made healthcare his platform, and he was so adamant about it that even the Republicans had to deal with it. Was it a stunning success? No, because it was shot full of holes in congress and crippled before it ever got off the ground by the original McConnell group. Obama was not at all representative of my beliefs in most of the rest of his actions, but the man did his best to effect positive change. Nobody else has done that or anything close since, and prior to that we have to go all the way back to the Depression and public works programs to find anything similarly beneficial to the public. Oh, and Social Security. Which has been gutted by - wait for it - Republicans.
Dems are responsible for allowing the overton window to shift so far right and they are rightfully vilified by actual lefties for it.
They’re still better than the alternative.
There it is: nuance. Well put, friend.
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And the DSA movement is taking that illusion and attempting to effect the change we seek, an inch at a time.
And that’s the only way progress happens right now unless you’re willing to flip the table society rests upon.
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What do you propose as the next step?
Hm. Crickets. Figures.
And DSA is the first incremental step back towards that. You form a third party and see how far you get without Citizens United money.
It is a horseshit sandwich, but it’s what we’ve got right now. Perfect can’t be the enemy of good, especially right now.
Enemy of my enemy and all, nahmean?
Edit: more accurately, the more we can do to frustrate the actual evil, the more time we ultimately have to find the real solution. Again, it isn’t perfect, but its the solution we currently have.
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I saw zero shilling in their comment.
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Nah dude, I just really have a thing for calling out bullshit arguments
Here, let’s make it easy for everyone. Point out where the shilling occurs:
Maybe you don’t actually know what the word means and were just using it wrong? Or is that too charitable?
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Reply commenter wants change. Doesn’t do anything. Expects change anyway. Complains to everyone why there’s no change.
Smh Just waiting for the ‘I voted Dem btw’ comment.
Not you prole.
At least they can vote. Many people don’t have that luxury. Yet they threw it away first chance. What’s next? ‘oh no one votes, so we should cancel elections next time?’ They have no idea how good they have it.
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They’re not here, pal. All flavors of lefites are from vaguely center-left to “it goes that far???”
But none of the right that I’ve seen.
Yeah IMO the closest we have to conservatives here are the Tankies, which can come across as MAGA at first glance because they both like licking boots.