Graham Platner has traversed a long and unlikely road to become the Democratic nominee for the US Senate in Maine. Can he beat longtime GOP incumbent Susan Collins and live up to the promise of his firebrand populist campaign?
If you actually dig into it, like me, he was clueless that a skull and crossbones was a Nazi symbol. It was the first thing I looked up on him, then just stared trying to sort it out because it didn’t look like any Nazi symbology I’d ever seen.
Good odds this a big money rumor to keep people like this guy off ballots.
He’s essentially working class. Liberal gun owner. Calling for retirement of the old guard. Better to look up what the man has said re Schumer and such.
I’ve said it before, but if his reddit post history is any indication, if he’s a Nazi plant he’s playing the really long game. Not that he hasn’t posted stupid shit, but the worst of it was posted long ago and it’s fair to account for personal growth.
I don’t think he is the best progressive candidate possible but he probably isn’t a Nazi. Just kind of ignorant.
My best friend was military. Raised Mormon, though he spent a decent amount of time in boys homes (very crazy mom) and went into the military as quickly as he could. Very typical meathead character, doing basic toxic male shit. He was working for the military when I met him. And I met him because he was leaving his faith when he learned about atheism. Since then, he became a pacifist (I helped him through his conscientious objector status to get out of the military), got rid of his guns, became a staunch Democrat, recognized his suppressed bisexuality, and started working on his mental health. If you put the person I first met, next to the person he is today, he’s only visually the same. Completely different person. It’s not normal to have such extreme changes. Most of us don’t have those polar changes in life. But some people do. Platner sounds a lot like my friend. He has been angry for a while but finally put on the They Live glasses and figured out who and what to be angry at. Could it all be a farce? Yeah. We could be being misled. Any politician can be someone else. Platner’s story thus far is absolutely plausible. And it’s been scrutinized heavily. He’s not a George Santos. He IS however targeted by Israel and the oligarchs. So, I’m choosing to believe his story, one that I’ve seen before, over targeted talking points that are being used in paid ads by AIPAC.
It’s not about being misled. The guy has very clearly not done the work. Sure. He looks like he’s starting to do the work, but he’s a massive fucking liability with the half apologies and the backtracking. He’s not woke yet. Yes, everyone has a right to start where there are. No, we don’t have to fucking vote them into positions of power over us.
Correct! It’s almost like electoralism isn’t solving any fucking problems and we should stop wasting time on this race - because every single choice is a losing choice - and instead focus our efforts on literally anything else that makes life better because giving Democrats our energy is just frog marching us towards more and more death, destruction, and devastation.
The Trump state that the Democrats paved the way for and did not lift a finger to stop. Stop acting like administrations are discontinuous. Most of the tools Trump is using were put in place or enhanced by former Democrat administrations. Tom Homan was an Obama appointee. The Obama/Clinton war crime campaign in Libya was initiated by Bush 2. All of the prior administrations expanded the military, expanded militarization of the police, etc. Bill and Hillary lived in the Governor’s Mansion in AK, saw the black house slaves from the prison who worked there and just went on being served by black house slaves for the entire term. Every administration and every swing of power in Congress has maintained and expanded the sanctions regime that kills 800k people every year.
The Democrats are not a solution. They have never been a solution. They have always been a part of the problem. The problem is not limited to a single party, it’s the entire political system. It was founded this way, it was designed this way, it was cultivated this way, it was protected this way, it was maintained this way. And Platner shows us exactly how it works. Bring in a white supremacist murderer with a tottenkopf tattoo who, after seeing the atrocities of the US war machine first hand decided to go work for Blackwater mercenaries who are known to be even worse in the field and then all he has to do is remove the tattoo, apologize, and then get frustrated when people keep bringing it up. Blame the voters for not voting the right way. It’s never the party’s fault. They literally couldn’t find someone who wasn’t a murderer who volunteered to keep the murder going multiple times and doesn’t really want to talk much about it except that everyone should respect him now for deciding to go into politics with empty promises that he has no power to keep.
What’s the alternative? When you see a Sophie’s Choice, just don’t play that game and go do something like organize locally with the homeless, with the racialized, and build a movement that will topple this tower of bullshit. Work with your racial and gender category in breaking down their internalization of oppressive systems. Actually engage in liberatory politics instead of literally fighting for a murdering mercenary and blaming voters for not choosing to pick a leader from among a bunch of people who literally do not deserve their respect and do not deserve the power they are asking for.
Not responded well? As far as I’m aware, he explained that he didn’t know what it was when he got it (which is very believable, as I didn’t know what it was until I read about him), and he had it removed. What else do you expect?
“Haven’t done the work” is such a vague term that gets overapplied to anyone you want to dismiss as backwards and ignorant, completely ignoring the work that they have done. If you can point to something ignorant someone said or did twelve years ago, then you’ll say they “haven’t done the work,” for the rest of their lives. You apparently don’t believe people can learn and grow, which is basically essentialism.
Obviously, if someone points out the work that they’ve done, you’ll just dismiss it as performative and virtue signalling and say they don’t get points just for meeting the bare minimum. So there’s no way to actually “do the work” such that you would even acknowledge it.
That’s pretty short-sighted, because if you give people no way forward then they’re going to stop trying to please you, and they may even move backwards. Which makes it all the more impressive that he is moving forward, to be honest.
This is mostly just cope. Platner needs to actually talk about the tattoo, what he learned, how he learned it, how it applies to the context of US politics and the military, why people might be upset about it, what he’s doing over and above what a normal person needs to do because the fact that he had a fucking tottenkopf permanently drawn on his body requires some more soul searching and actual consciousness than the kid who thought rap music was garbage when they were 15.
What’s NOT doing the work is retreating to innocence. “I didn’t know. How could I know? I removed it, what more could I possibly do? Actually people who are upset just don’t understand.”
That’s not the work. That’s literally text book crypto white supremacist defense mechanisms. It’s the same playbook that allows Bostonians to believe they aren’t racist when pretty much any POC who interacts with the city will tell you it’s one of the top racist places in the country.
Everything is meaningless if your entire theory of action is vote blue no matter, so it’s not surprising you think that saying Platner hasn’t done the work is meaningless.
But don’t worry. In a few more days you’ll need to explain why he was sexting with women on TikTok and his wife found out and she chose to share it with the campaign. And of course, he didn’t know it was wrong at the time. He was just caught up in the moment. He deleted the messages now so everything is fine. What more could I ask from him?
I’m sorry. But a liberal candidate that can appeal to white working class males is not going to have the social affectations of a gender studies major.
So what you’re saying is that American voters are actually much more interested in electing a toxic male with a Nazi tattoo who saw the horrors of war and then elected to go work as a mercenary for Blackwater than they are in voting for actual liberatory politics. And I agree with you. That’s why we have Donald Trump in office, and that’s why voting Blue No Matter Who won’t actually fix anything.
You’re just more concerned with style than substance. You care more about whether a candidate wears the right leftist tokens than actually advancing progressive policies. This person is running on a genuinely progressive platform, and you’re letting yourself get distracted with performative symbolism and irrelevant bullshit.
Not for nothing, but the Nazi Party adopted a progressive, worker-first, anti-capitalist, populist aesthetic to rise to power. It’s not enough to put up a web page that says “this is my platform, isn’t it great”. That’s aesthetics. He actually needs to DO something. And what he’s done is self-isolate as an oyster farmer and get involved in local politics around the economics of oyster farming. That’s it. He hasn’t done anything progressive. He just says progressive things. We’ve seen that before.
Do you know what sheepdogging is? It’s the use of an aesthetically anti-establishment candidate to attract the attention and energy of the disaffected, the alienated, and the oppositional for the explicit purpose of bringing that energy back into the fold of the mainstream power structure. That’s exactly what’s happening here. The Democrats don’t care if Collins or Platner win. They are super happy with the controversy because it’s doing exactly what it’s supposed to be doing - getting Democrats fighting about which Democrat to vote for instead of letting them become disaffected with the party and seek to actually challenge its power.
Platner’s a sheepdog. He may not know it himself, but that’s his role. It’s obvious he has no interest in class analysis. He’s a petite bourgeois liberal who wants to maintain the status quo that allows him to own and run a small luxury food farm. He’s basically Biden 50 years ago, or maybe Fetterman or Sinema. He’s never going to turn against the military. AOC campaigned on the same positions of not expanding the military and getting out of forever wars, and yet, she has voted to expand military spending at least twice. Not because she’s evil or because she was fooling us this whole time, but because that’s the reality of the US government and the Democrat party isn’t interested, as a party, in changing it. And the evidence is right there. Not only do your favored candidates constantly have to compromise with the actual power structure, the history of progressive politicians shows that they slide right every term. There’s no way to build a progressive bulwark voting in people one at a time over decades when you have things like Biden getting elected on his opposition to the Vietnam war only to then to architect the Crime Bill and unrelentingly support Israel’s genocide of the Palestinians.
Platner MIGHT actually have a spine for a couple terms and vote the way he said he would - most of the time, anyway. But even if he does it won’t matter in the short term because of the power structure of the US. But once he’s in, all the evidence says he’s just gonna keep sliding right, and voting in someone so obviously tainted by incredibly bad decision making is just a signal to EVERYONE in the Democrat party that we’ll eat shit as long they tell us it’s chocolate.
Not knowing what it is is an obvious lie, sorry. There’s no way the white male millennial soldier that grew up with the History Channel didn’t know what it was. His friends and family have said he knew what it was. He had Reddit posts defending police getting SS bolts and discussing the thematic differences between Totenkopf and Punisher tattoos.
And, honestly, if he genuinely didn’t know what it was, that level of historical ignorance should also be disqualifying.
So if the argument is that he is, still, currently a Nazi, just running on progressive ideology to pull one over on all of us dumb rubes, why bother hiding it? Why be a cryptofascist when obvious-as-fuck fascists are running on fascist platforms and getting elected because they’re fascists? He has said literally nothing even in his online posts as a private citizen anywhere near as far-reich or as blatant as the current admin says in plain sight on Twitter.
Then what was it? I’m no deep dive history buff on nazis but I’ve had the college level courses, in addition to the extra bits on Speer and the symbology. I did not recognize it. Link old, pre headline sources.
He also didn’t know what sexting was, eh? Just said some words that his buddies thought sounded cool and next thing you know his wife is sharing them to expose what he’s actually like?
If he’s a Nazi, why isn’t he running as a Republican like all the others? If he’s a fellow Nazi, why are all the other Nazis so intent and focused on attacking him. Rather than amplifying him and getting him elected?
I’m not going to make the claim that plattner isn’t a meathead/jarhead that has said some pretty stupid shit over the years. Facts are facts. And none of that is disqualifying in light of his competition. A sad critique of our country’s politics in general. Plattner isn’t going to fix everything, or likely even anything. He will probably struggle to be average or even adequate. But is that he wasn’t the establishment Democrats conservative pic, or the Republicans conservative incumbent old coat hanger he’s learned his lesson Collins.
If you actually go look into the guy. You’ll find out that while he’s not ideal. He’s definitely no Nazi, and definitely not another fetterman.
Why did Kyrsten Sinema or John Fettermam run as Democrats?
Apparently we are easy marks, and getting someone in who represents the opposite party of the one they were elected as, is a massive boon for that party. It’s a +2 (-1 seat for Democrats, +1 seat for Republicans).
Because they were. They didn’t just become Democrats to run and reach the congress. They’d been for decades before.
If you expect that anyone who reaches the Congress will stay un corrupted. When Congress is designed to corrupt. Yes you’re an easy mark. The Senate was designed from the bottom up with corruption in mind. That was it’s whole purpose. The house was hobbled over a century ago to be more easily controlled by the oligarchs and the wealthy. Corruption is the natural outcome. It’s a rare person that can avoid it.
What I mean by why. Is exactly that. It wasn’t a riddle or cryptic in any way. If plattner is a nazi. Then why is the party that is the primary home for bigots and Nazis so adamantly attacking him for what they openly are. If plattner is a Nazi, then why are the worst parts of the democratic establishments attacking him. Since they commonly align themselves with the fascists and Nazis in the Republican Party? It’s not a rhetorical question, work it out.
Plattner has absolutely said stupid toxic masculinity dude bro shit throughout his life. At the same time when confronted with it he’s genuinely shown an ability to understand, listen and learn. But yes I get that a tattoo is serious shit. It’s not like people getting drunk and getting random tattoos they don’t understand the meaning of or even remember is so common it’s a trope. (It is) it’s not like there’s tens to hundreds of different websites across the internet just displaying these and making fun of them. (There are) Hell I’ve got materials with a totenkoph on it that I’ve come to regret having after the fact. I need an apparent expert opinion. Am I a Nazi in secret even to myself?
All kidding aside. If he’s so clearly a Nazi as so many people are trying to imply. Why can’t I find any evidence of it? Why hasn’t he taken for instance a single cent from AIPAC? Why is he opposing the genocide in Gaza, which far too many Democrats won’t even distance themselves from let alone call it out. Even Chuck Fucking Schumer, democrat leadership in Congress won’t condemn it. And has used his position to stop others from condemning it. Can you point out a single action he personally has taken that clearly marks him as a Nazi?
I mean literally what I said. People get stupid shit tattooed on them drunk all the time. Platner is no different. If you’re going to accuse him of being a Nazi at least have more than just this one superficial thing. Let’s be real here someone from blaja I expect better of than purposefully misidentifying someone.
Hegseth for instance has a particular tattoo on him. Which in isolation might mean nothing. But I can point to thousands of actions that hegseth has taken in his personal life. That clearly mark him as a Nazi and white supremacist.
There are many justified valid criticisms of Platner. Isn’t it odd that this. This is all you cling to. Well not really odd. Highly suspicious. So focused on attacking him too. So you like Colins? Her enabling of warmongers, pedophiles, genocides, enemies of gays and trans. Is it that Platner has taken no money from AIPAC or similar groups? Is it that He’s against Israel’s genocide in Gaza? What is it really about tattoo man?
I will commend you on this at least. After posting at me in another thread repeating this baseless accusation. And me calling you out on for not replying, just spamming trying to push an agenda. I honestly didn’t think you would. But if I did, this half formed wet fart of a “nu uhh” is what I would have expected.
Do you really believe only the Republicans are Nazis? Operation Paperclip was done under Truman. The genocidal campaign against North Korea was also Truman. LBJ lead the mass murder campaign in Vietnam and Laos.
No. The fact that Platner is the darling of the Ds is shifting the Overton Window of acceptable open proximity to Nazis, not proof that Platner isn’t as horrible as his history shows him to be. The man chose to join Blackwater AFTER he saw what they were doing in theater.
He doesn’t have any policies. He’s a candidate for a low level elected office where he will be exactly 1% of the vote and he will absolutely vote to continue expanding the military and the police. He saw what happened and instead of becoming a conscientious objector he decided to voluntarily join Blackwater!
Take on waste and corruption at the Pentagon… Massive, massive waste in procurement. A revolving door between the Pentagon and massive “defense” contractors. Widespread consolidation, encouraged by deliberate government policy, to the point where competition has virtually disappeared in many vital areas. This is the legacy of several decades of disastrous mismanagement and profiteering at the highest level of the American military.
No more pointless wars I will never, ever vote to send Americans into a pointless war. Everything we went through in Iraq can be laid at the feet of those in Washington, like Senator Collins, who knew better but voted “Yes” on a disastrous, deadly war.
Those are promises, not policies. He’s not in office yet, he hasn’t voted on anything, and he will be the junior member and highly subject to party discipline.
Nazis are the new US populism?
If you actually dig into it, like me, he was clueless that a skull and crossbones was a Nazi symbol. It was the first thing I looked up on him, then just stared trying to sort it out because it didn’t look like any Nazi symbology I’d ever seen.
Good odds this a big money rumor to keep people like this guy off ballots.
He’s essentially working class. Liberal gun owner. Calling for retirement of the old guard. Better to look up what the man has said re Schumer and such.
I’ve said it before, but if his reddit post history is any indication, if he’s a Nazi plant he’s playing the really long game. Not that he hasn’t posted stupid shit, but the worst of it was posted long ago and it’s fair to account for personal growth.
I don’t think he is the best progressive candidate possible but he probably isn’t a Nazi. Just kind of ignorant.
My best friend was military. Raised Mormon, though he spent a decent amount of time in boys homes (very crazy mom) and went into the military as quickly as he could. Very typical meathead character, doing basic toxic male shit. He was working for the military when I met him. And I met him because he was leaving his faith when he learned about atheism. Since then, he became a pacifist (I helped him through his conscientious objector status to get out of the military), got rid of his guns, became a staunch Democrat, recognized his suppressed bisexuality, and started working on his mental health. If you put the person I first met, next to the person he is today, he’s only visually the same. Completely different person. It’s not normal to have such extreme changes. Most of us don’t have those polar changes in life. But some people do. Platner sounds a lot like my friend. He has been angry for a while but finally put on the They Live glasses and figured out who and what to be angry at. Could it all be a farce? Yeah. We could be being misled. Any politician can be someone else. Platner’s story thus far is absolutely plausible. And it’s been scrutinized heavily. He’s not a George Santos. He IS however targeted by Israel and the oligarchs. So, I’m choosing to believe his story, one that I’ve seen before, over targeted talking points that are being used in paid ads by AIPAC.
It’s not about being misled. The guy has very clearly not done the work. Sure. He looks like he’s starting to do the work, but he’s a massive fucking liability with the half apologies and the backtracking. He’s not woke yet. Yes, everyone has a right to start where there are. No, we don’t have to fucking vote them into positions of power over us.
What’s the alternative? There is only one alternative: Susan Collins. That’s the forced choice. Platner or Collins.
It will be one or the other.
Correct! It’s almost like electoralism isn’t solving any fucking problems and we should stop wasting time on this race - because every single choice is a losing choice - and instead focus our efforts on literally anything else that makes life better because giving Democrats our energy is just frog marching us towards more and more death, destruction, and devastation.
Versus, what? Enjoying the present Trump/Vought/Vance state?
The Trump state that the Democrats paved the way for and did not lift a finger to stop. Stop acting like administrations are discontinuous. Most of the tools Trump is using were put in place or enhanced by former Democrat administrations. Tom Homan was an Obama appointee. The Obama/Clinton war crime campaign in Libya was initiated by Bush 2. All of the prior administrations expanded the military, expanded militarization of the police, etc. Bill and Hillary lived in the Governor’s Mansion in AK, saw the black house slaves from the prison who worked there and just went on being served by black house slaves for the entire term. Every administration and every swing of power in Congress has maintained and expanded the sanctions regime that kills 800k people every year.
The Democrats are not a solution. They have never been a solution. They have always been a part of the problem. The problem is not limited to a single party, it’s the entire political system. It was founded this way, it was designed this way, it was cultivated this way, it was protected this way, it was maintained this way. And Platner shows us exactly how it works. Bring in a white supremacist murderer with a tottenkopf tattoo who, after seeing the atrocities of the US war machine first hand decided to go work for Blackwater mercenaries who are known to be even worse in the field and then all he has to do is remove the tattoo, apologize, and then get frustrated when people keep bringing it up. Blame the voters for not voting the right way. It’s never the party’s fault. They literally couldn’t find someone who wasn’t a murderer who volunteered to keep the murder going multiple times and doesn’t really want to talk much about it except that everyone should respect him now for deciding to go into politics with empty promises that he has no power to keep.
What’s the alternative? When you see a Sophie’s Choice, just don’t play that game and go do something like organize locally with the homeless, with the racialized, and build a movement that will topple this tower of bullshit. Work with your racial and gender category in breaking down their internalization of oppressive systems. Actually engage in liberatory politics instead of literally fighting for a murdering mercenary and blaming voters for not choosing to pick a leader from among a bunch of people who literally do not deserve their respect and do not deserve the power they are asking for.
TIL being white = “very clearly not done the work”…
LOL, telling on yourself on this one. The fact that he has not responded well to situation around his tattoo means he hasn’t done the work.
Not responded well? As far as I’m aware, he explained that he didn’t know what it was when he got it (which is very believable, as I didn’t know what it was until I read about him), and he had it removed. What else do you expect?
“Haven’t done the work” is such a vague term that gets overapplied to anyone you want to dismiss as backwards and ignorant, completely ignoring the work that they have done. If you can point to something ignorant someone said or did twelve years ago, then you’ll say they “haven’t done the work,” for the rest of their lives. You apparently don’t believe people can learn and grow, which is basically essentialism.
Obviously, if someone points out the work that they’ve done, you’ll just dismiss it as performative and virtue signalling and say they don’t get points just for meeting the bare minimum. So there’s no way to actually “do the work” such that you would even acknowledge it.
That’s pretty short-sighted, because if you give people no way forward then they’re going to stop trying to please you, and they may even move backwards. Which makes it all the more impressive that he is moving forward, to be honest.
This is mostly just cope. Platner needs to actually talk about the tattoo, what he learned, how he learned it, how it applies to the context of US politics and the military, why people might be upset about it, what he’s doing over and above what a normal person needs to do because the fact that he had a fucking tottenkopf permanently drawn on his body requires some more soul searching and actual consciousness than the kid who thought rap music was garbage when they were 15.
What’s NOT doing the work is retreating to innocence. “I didn’t know. How could I know? I removed it, what more could I possibly do? Actually people who are upset just don’t understand.”
That’s not the work. That’s literally text book crypto white supremacist defense mechanisms. It’s the same playbook that allows Bostonians to believe they aren’t racist when pretty much any POC who interacts with the city will tell you it’s one of the top racist places in the country.
Everything is meaningless if your entire theory of action is vote blue no matter, so it’s not surprising you think that saying Platner hasn’t done the work is meaningless.
But don’t worry. In a few more days you’ll need to explain why he was sexting with women on TikTok and his wife found out and she chose to share it with the campaign. And of course, he didn’t know it was wrong at the time. He was just caught up in the moment. He deleted the messages now so everything is fine. What more could I ask from him?
I’m sorry. But a liberal candidate that can appeal to white working class males is not going to have the social affectations of a gender studies major.
So what you’re saying is that American voters are actually much more interested in electing a toxic male with a Nazi tattoo who saw the horrors of war and then elected to go work as a mercenary for Blackwater than they are in voting for actual liberatory politics. And I agree with you. That’s why we have Donald Trump in office, and that’s why voting Blue No Matter Who won’t actually fix anything.
You’re just more concerned with style than substance. You care more about whether a candidate wears the right leftist tokens than actually advancing progressive policies. This person is running on a genuinely progressive platform, and you’re letting yourself get distracted with performative symbolism and irrelevant bullshit.
Not for nothing, but the Nazi Party adopted a progressive, worker-first, anti-capitalist, populist aesthetic to rise to power. It’s not enough to put up a web page that says “this is my platform, isn’t it great”. That’s aesthetics. He actually needs to DO something. And what he’s done is self-isolate as an oyster farmer and get involved in local politics around the economics of oyster farming. That’s it. He hasn’t done anything progressive. He just says progressive things. We’ve seen that before.
Do you know what sheepdogging is? It’s the use of an aesthetically anti-establishment candidate to attract the attention and energy of the disaffected, the alienated, and the oppositional for the explicit purpose of bringing that energy back into the fold of the mainstream power structure. That’s exactly what’s happening here. The Democrats don’t care if Collins or Platner win. They are super happy with the controversy because it’s doing exactly what it’s supposed to be doing - getting Democrats fighting about which Democrat to vote for instead of letting them become disaffected with the party and seek to actually challenge its power.
Platner’s a sheepdog. He may not know it himself, but that’s his role. It’s obvious he has no interest in class analysis. He’s a petite bourgeois liberal who wants to maintain the status quo that allows him to own and run a small luxury food farm. He’s basically Biden 50 years ago, or maybe Fetterman or Sinema. He’s never going to turn against the military. AOC campaigned on the same positions of not expanding the military and getting out of forever wars, and yet, she has voted to expand military spending at least twice. Not because she’s evil or because she was fooling us this whole time, but because that’s the reality of the US government and the Democrat party isn’t interested, as a party, in changing it. And the evidence is right there. Not only do your favored candidates constantly have to compromise with the actual power structure, the history of progressive politicians shows that they slide right every term. There’s no way to build a progressive bulwark voting in people one at a time over decades when you have things like Biden getting elected on his opposition to the Vietnam war only to then to architect the Crime Bill and unrelentingly support Israel’s genocide of the Palestinians.
Platner MIGHT actually have a spine for a couple terms and vote the way he said he would - most of the time, anyway. But even if he does it won’t matter in the short term because of the power structure of the US. But once he’s in, all the evidence says he’s just gonna keep sliding right, and voting in someone so obviously tainted by incredibly bad decision making is just a signal to EVERYONE in the Democrat party that we’ll eat shit as long they tell us it’s chocolate.
You don’t need to be a historian to guess that a skull and crossbones isn’t exactly a peace symbol.
The US Marines aren’t exactly the peace corps.
Military… His unit got that tattoo. Not my thing, but, whatever. The guy is an oyster farmer now. Cusses like a sailor too.
Idc. But then I also think the liberal side of things needs to lay off the gun thing.
I’d be curious to see an old source on that tattoo.
And?
Not knowing what it is is an obvious lie, sorry. There’s no way the white male millennial soldier that grew up with the History Channel didn’t know what it was. His friends and family have said he knew what it was. He had Reddit posts defending police getting SS bolts and discussing the thematic differences between Totenkopf and Punisher tattoos.
And, honestly, if he genuinely didn’t know what it was, that level of historical ignorance should also be disqualifying.
So if the argument is that he is, still, currently a Nazi, just running on progressive ideology to pull one over on all of us dumb rubes, why bother hiding it? Why be a cryptofascist when obvious-as-fuck fascists are running on fascist platforms and getting elected because they’re fascists? He has said literally nothing even in his online posts as a private citizen anywhere near as far-reich or as blatant as the current admin says in plain sight on Twitter.
Idk and I’m gen x,different state, but seriously did i fuckin idiots really elect another fetterman? Quit bein gullible, and curb stop a Republican
You know they fucking did, man, and they are going to witch hunt US for calling their dumb asses out.
Then what was it? I’m no deep dive history buff on nazis but I’ve had the college level courses, in addition to the extra bits on Speer and the symbology. I did not recognize it. Link old, pre headline sources.
You’ve studied Nazism at a collegiate level but are asking for a source on what a totenkopf is…?
He also didn’t know what sexting was, eh? Just said some words that his buddies thought sounded cool and next thing you know his wife is sharing them to expose what he’s actually like?
If he’s a Nazi, why isn’t he running as a Republican like all the others? If he’s a fellow Nazi, why are all the other Nazis so intent and focused on attacking him. Rather than amplifying him and getting him elected?
I’m not going to make the claim that plattner isn’t a meathead/jarhead that has said some pretty stupid shit over the years. Facts are facts. And none of that is disqualifying in light of his competition. A sad critique of our country’s politics in general. Plattner isn’t going to fix everything, or likely even anything. He will probably struggle to be average or even adequate. But is that he wasn’t the establishment Democrats conservative pic, or the Republicans conservative incumbent old coat hanger he’s learned his lesson Collins.
If you actually go look into the guy. You’ll find out that while he’s not ideal. He’s definitely no Nazi, and definitely not another fetterman.
Why did Kyrsten Sinema or John Fettermam run as Democrats?
Apparently we are easy marks, and getting someone in who represents the opposite party of the one they were elected as, is a massive boon for that party. It’s a +2 (-1 seat for Democrats, +1 seat for Republicans).
What do you mean why?
Because they were. They didn’t just become Democrats to run and reach the congress. They’d been for decades before.
If you expect that anyone who reaches the Congress will stay un corrupted. When Congress is designed to corrupt. Yes you’re an easy mark. The Senate was designed from the bottom up with corruption in mind. That was it’s whole purpose. The house was hobbled over a century ago to be more easily controlled by the oligarchs and the wealthy. Corruption is the natural outcome. It’s a rare person that can avoid it.
What I mean by why. Is exactly that. It wasn’t a riddle or cryptic in any way. If plattner is a nazi. Then why is the party that is the primary home for bigots and Nazis so adamantly attacking him for what they openly are. If plattner is a Nazi, then why are the worst parts of the democratic establishments attacking him. Since they commonly align themselves with the fascists and Nazis in the Republican Party? It’s not a rhetorical question, work it out.
Plattner has absolutely said stupid toxic masculinity dude bro shit throughout his life. At the same time when confronted with it he’s genuinely shown an ability to understand, listen and learn. But yes I get that a tattoo is serious shit. It’s not like people getting drunk and getting random tattoos they don’t understand the meaning of or even remember is so common it’s a trope. (It is) it’s not like there’s tens to hundreds of different websites across the internet just displaying these and making fun of them. (There are) Hell I’ve got materials with a totenkoph on it that I’ve come to regret having after the fact. I need an apparent expert opinion. Am I a Nazi in secret even to myself?
All kidding aside. If he’s so clearly a Nazi as so many people are trying to imply. Why can’t I find any evidence of it? Why hasn’t he taken for instance a single cent from AIPAC? Why is he opposing the genocide in Gaza, which far too many Democrats won’t even distance themselves from let alone call it out. Even Chuck Fucking Schumer, democrat leadership in Congress won’t condemn it. And has used his position to stop others from condemning it. Can you point out a single action he personally has taken that clearly marks him as a Nazi?
Sinema was actually in the Green party before becoming a Democrat. There was a time where her being a Leftist was believable.
Yes she worked on Ralph Nader’s campaign. But she had been in the Democratic party since 2004. The power and the influence 100% corrupted her
THE MAN HAD A TOTENKOPF TATTOO ON HIS CHEST
The fuck do you mean??
I mean literally what I said. People get stupid shit tattooed on them drunk all the time. Platner is no different. If you’re going to accuse him of being a Nazi at least have more than just this one superficial thing. Let’s be real here someone from blaja I expect better of than purposefully misidentifying someone.
Hegseth for instance has a particular tattoo on him. Which in isolation might mean nothing. But I can point to thousands of actions that hegseth has taken in his personal life. That clearly mark him as a Nazi and white supremacist.
There are many justified valid criticisms of Platner. Isn’t it odd that this. This is all you cling to. Well not really odd. Highly suspicious. So focused on attacking him too. So you like Colins? Her enabling of warmongers, pedophiles, genocides, enemies of gays and trans. Is it that Platner has taken no money from AIPAC or similar groups? Is it that He’s against Israel’s genocide in Gaza? What is it really about tattoo man?
I will commend you on this at least. After posting at me in another thread repeating this baseless accusation. And me calling you out on for not replying, just spamming trying to push an agenda. I honestly didn’t think you would. But if I did, this half formed wet fart of a “nu uhh” is what I would have expected.
Do you really believe only the Republicans are Nazis? Operation Paperclip was done under Truman. The genocidal campaign against North Korea was also Truman. LBJ lead the mass murder campaign in Vietnam and Laos.
No. The fact that Platner is the darling of the Ds is shifting the Overton Window of acceptable open proximity to Nazis, not proof that Platner isn’t as horrible as his history shows him to be. The man chose to join Blackwater AFTER he saw what they were doing in theater.
Which of his policies are Nazi policies?
He doesn’t have any policies. He’s a candidate for a low level elected office where he will be exactly 1% of the vote and he will absolutely vote to continue expanding the military and the police. He saw what happened and instead of becoming a conscientious objector he decided to voluntarily join Blackwater!
Oh I see you haven’t checked out his website. Here you go
https://www.grahamforsenate.com/platform
Is this the first time you’ve experienced a campaign promise?
I was responding to someone saying he had no policies, when he has an entire list on his website.
That’s not policy, those are campaign promises.
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Those are promises, not policies. He’s not in office yet, he hasn’t voted on anything, and he will be the junior member and highly subject to party discipline.