• mirshafie@europe.pub
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    20 hours ago

    So: Israel decided to murder Iran’s true opposition (by bombing Evin last year), then murdered their doves (all the top-level reformists who were willing to negotiate with the West), and - get this - they were trying to bomb Iran’s stupidest former politician out of house-arrest, but this caused even him to realize that he can’t work with the Israelis.

    This guy - Ahmadinejad - is not just grossly incompetent, he’s also a holocaust denier and has been calling for Israel to be wiped off the map. That’s right, when Americans/Israelis complain that Iran has been calling for wiping Israel off the map, they mean mother fucking Ahmadinejad. And he’s the guy they wanted to put in charge. And it’s easy to see why - they don’t want peace, they want chaos and a failed state.

    While Iranian leadership is generally not antisemitic, Ahmadinejad is a moron and a buffoon and likely also an actual antisemite (not quite sure, he might just be so stupid that he thinks that fronting like an antisemite might make him look tough). No camp respects him, and he would not have been able to lead a government even if Israel didn’t botch their plan.

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    22 hours ago

    Its not “US and Israel” its the US doing what Israel pays them to do. Details matter.

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        20 hours ago

        As an Iranian I want to be very clear that Iran’s position is that the USA is the problem. Not Trump and definitely not Netanyahu.

        Americans debate whether Israel is “wagging the dog”, as though America is the dog being controlled by its tail (Israel). Iranians think of the relationship as: hostile owner (America) of a rabid attack dog that it can barely control (Israel). But it’s the owner who’s responsible, not the dog.

        I know that some Iranians that participate in English-speaking media play along with the American narrative that Israel is controlling the United States. That’s manipulative propaganda on their part. It’s designed to confuse Americans and weaken the USA, while playing along with or at least not contradicting the narratives that Americans tell themselves. It’s for US consumption, not what they believe.

        Internally in Iran these ideas have no traction. They see Israel as an imperialist tool to destabilize the Middle East, which is the geopolitically most important region on the planet and must not be allowed self-determination lest the empire be doomed. It’s a vestige of the British Empire, inherited by the USA.

        Make of this what you will.

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          But it is true to an extent that Israel exerts influence in US politics. AIPAC funds politicians’ campaigns.

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              I read up a bit about AIPAC, and yes, it’s true that as far as we can tell, at least since 1954, there’s no direct funding by Israel (couldn’t find a reliable source concerning the claim of clandestine direct funding of AZC by Israel, so it might never have been the case). But there’s a lot of collaboration between Israel and AIPAC. So, in a way, Israel does influences the US, but it’s entirely thanks to US citizens happy to help them. It’s not clear to me why they are happy to.

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      20 hours ago

      “Pay”… they dont pay… russians pay. Israel is just pure evil blackmail.

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    So they wanted a holocust denier in power. Ton of stupid people still conflste anti zionism with antisemetism. The usa and israel are fine wiyh antisemites.

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    The newspaper noted, however, that in a 2019 interview, Ahmadinejad praised President Trump and argued for a rapprochement between Iran and the US.

    Everyone who goes on TV is automatically interviewing for a position in the Trump regime.

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    [checking my notes to see what happened to the last guy we put in charge of Iran]