House Republicans have voted down an effort to block immigration enforcers from using federal resources to detain or deport U.S. citizens.
During a House Judiciary Committee meeting on Wednesday, Democrats tabled amendments to a sweeping budget bill that President Donald Trump has dubbed “one big, beautiful bill.”
One amendment introduced by Representative Pramila Jayapal, the Democrat from Washington state, sought to make clear Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) cannot detain or deport U.S. citizens under any circumstances. GOP lawmakers killed that amendment.
The question is. If you got to choose between the two. Which would you choose. Democrats are awful, but imagine how nice it would have been for nothing to happen. Ukraine and Palestine not become worse. Our allies not alienated. Roving squads of redcaps not on the street kidnapping innocent people, AND THEN FORCING THE PUBLIC TO PAY FOR THEIR BONDAGE IN A FORIEGN NATION. DENIED JUSTICE. Nothing, man; what a dream.
To defend the democrats, it’s pretty hard to get anything done when the right wing will basically say “no” to whatever the dems put their name on. Half of a dems job is fixing the shit that got broke when the republicans were in office.
True, they could push a lot harder to the left. But let’s be realistic, if they did they would lose at the polls because the US is like 75% center or right.
I keep seeing so many people who claim to be on the left saying Democrats could win if they just supported us. Which sounds great. But then one has to wonder. Have we shown them that? We need to be the ones to bring the fight to the democrats. We’ve passively and complacently let National parties consolidate power for Generations now. And yet we pretend to be confused of when they don’t represent us for some reason.
As someone reasonably autistic that has to mask a significant amount to get through the day. I’m not candidate material. But I would I.T. the fuck out of shit for a local campaign willing to show local and National Democrats how to fight.
I love how the “you have to vote for us every time no matter how far to the right we go” wing of the party demands decades of patient voting for their complicit republican-lite candidates before they’ll listen to their left, but they fall all over themselves trying to please republicans who will never vote for them.
You don’t have to in state or local elections. I’ve always told people to vote for whoever stands the best chance of winning no matter what party they’re from as long as they keep the fascist out. But when it comes to National presidential elections mathematically you have to. It’s just a fact.
I’m going to repeat the point you ignored because you prefer to lecture people who voted like you wanted instead.
It does not matter how many times progressives hold their noses and vote republican-lite like you want. The party will NEVER look at their loyalty and decide to listen to them. NOT EVER. The entire “just vote and we’ll listen, promise” thing has always been a filthy lie.
However, democrats seem willing to move to the right for absolutely no gain because the republicans whose votes they seek would rather vote for republicans. republicans don’t need to patiently vote for people who hate them for decades for a false promise that the party will listen. The party does nothing but listen to republicans, who don’t vote for democrats.
Now lecture me some more, but under no circumstances address my point.
As always, it’s hilarious that you think everyone else is the one ignoring anything. That’s a nice straw man built there and it’s nothing I’ve ever espoused or championed. The simple fact is when it comes to National presidential elections it is unfortunately a binary choice and you do have to choose between fascist and fascist light. That or just accept that you’re going to have fascist. That’s the simple point you always ignore. Why we spend so much time lecturing you. When you just get all pissy about it I don’t know. I guess it’s fun sometimes.
While we must hold our noses and do this for national presidential elections. We’ve never had to and I’ve never advocated for doing that at the local and state level. In fact far from it. I constantly advocate for taking over State parties and building them up. Or building completely new state parties to run people at the state and local level. But that’s what you always ignore.
Didn’t say it was, though your refusal to address it is pointing in that direction.
Because “put in decades of work at the state level while we keep moving right on the national level” is not a realistic solution in the face of rapidly entrenching fascism.
I literally addressed it in the next paragraph practically what are you even on about.
Tell that to the unions that felt Carter hadn’t done enough for them. Withholding their support and funding. They showed carter. He lost and the unions became irrelevant. And we had our first outright fascist in office with reagan. Tell that to all the people so uninfused with Al gore. He didn’t excite them enough he didn’t hold their hands enough despite having fantastic qualifications as a progressive and environmentalist. He just didn’t motivate the people and so we got our second fascist with Bush Jr. I could go on I mean literally what happened with Hillary Clinton yes she wasn’t inspirational no she wasn’t great but by that time so much damage had been done she was the best we could get unfortunately. And people chose Trump. And on and on and on.
We’ve had 50 years of people like yourself ignorantly trying to change things from the top down and failing. Hurting all of us. You spend decades organizing it a state level. You aren’t going to get this sort of s*** at the national level. That’s the point. Yes you have to hold your nose in the meantime. While you’re replacing all the jackasses that are the problem. But that is how you change it. Trying to force top-down change you’re just going to keep empowering fascists. I hope you’re enjoying the administration you helped.