• Zombie@feddit.uk
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    2 days ago

    You say as if American soldiers aren’t also Americans. It’s not just up to civilians to partake in politics and the resistance of tyranny.

    Coups happen all over the world, for various reasons. You’d think an openly genocidal regime headed by a fascist, paedophile, moronic traitor, actively making life worse for the majority and aiding their enemies. Shitting on the constitution, and making veiled threats to cancel elections, would be enough to instigate one, but I guess not.

    The stereotype of American soldiers seems to hold up, all bark but no bite unless the opponent is clearly outmatched with bigger weapons.

    By one estimate, there were 457 coup attempts from 1950 to 2010, half of which were successful.[3]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d'état

    • Brave Little Hitachi Wand@feddit.uk
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      I’ll accept my share of the blame for not being an active insurgent against the US government as long as we’re also holding Russian and Chinese people to the same standard - failing to thwart genocide(s) by a powerful authoritarian regime while under 21st century surveillance and brutal working conditions. Sure I’m disappointed in all of us who aren’t part of a resistance, but let’s be realistic.

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        No, no, no…you’ve got it wrong. America is a perfectly representative democracy, so every American bears full responsibility for each and every transgression of it’s government or military. China and Russia are not, so only their governments and military are to blame, their citizens are blameless. Now, a more interesting question is how culpable are the rank and file citizens of Canada, Czechia, Albania, North Macedonia, Lithuania, and Latvia, whose governments support the USrael invasion? No doubt, the keyboard warriors will be along at any moment to shame them and demand they rise up against and replace their complicit governments.

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        2 days ago

        Alright, let’s be realistic, a lot of competent high ranking officers are out of work since the purges of Trump. And a lot are still in work, that managed to survive the purges.

        And when I say purges, I mean redundancies and firings. Not like Saddam Hussein, taken out back and met with a bullet or rope. But just given their military pension and told to fuck off.

        I’m not expecting the average grunt to be able to do much. But an officer whose rank allows them the command of hundreds or thousands of people is capable of something.

        There has been not even a murmuring of mutiny, resistance, or rebellion, let alone a coup. Some sailors stuffed t-shirts down their toilets, likely more in rebellion at being at sea far longer than they were meant to than anything else. But that’s about it.

        Americans, until very very recently, have had freedoms and liberties that the Chinese and Russians have never enjoyed. Do you think Russian military courts are comparable to American? To compare them is disingenuous. Although in saying that, Xu Qinxian did refuse his orders at Tiannamen Square. He refused saying he’d rather be executed than be a criminal to history.

        But there’s always an exceptionalism, an excuse, for why America is incapable of thwarting fascism. No matter how much I argue here, somebody will come along with another excuse, another reason for why Americans can’t do what other countries around the world have done over and over throughout history.

        Land of the Brave Bollocks.

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          I’m going to be honest: you just sound ignorant and disconnected from the reality of the United States as a politically entity.

          Exception and exceptional share a root word. They do not mean the same thing.

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              I’m well aware of the term. I’m telling you, you’re misapplying it in your argument.

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                Ah, I see the confusion. I’m used to the modern critical definition, not the original.

                Exceptionalism as “exemptionalism”

                During the George W. Bush administration (2001–2009), the term was somewhat abstracted from its historical context.[104] Proponents and opponents alike began using it to describe a phenomenon wherein certain political interests view the United States as being “above” or an “exception” to the law, specifically the law of nations.[105] (That phenomenon is less concerned with justifying American uniqueness than with asserting its immunity to international law.) Critics argued that American exceptionalism was increasingly used to justify foreign policy decisions that placed the United States “above international law.” This perspective claimed that the U.S. invoked exceptionalism not as a model of global leadership but as a rationale for unilateralism and selective application of legal norms.[106]

                The new use of the term has served to confuse the topic and muddy the waters since its unilateralist emphasis and the actual orientation diverge somewhat from prior uses of the phrase.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism#Criticism