• WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works
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        24 days ago

        At this point, I assume anyone still harping on this is a conservative provocative looking to stir up division.

        The truth is it’s possible for more than one group to be at fault. Those who stayed home have a ton of blame, the centrist dipshits at the DNC have a ton of blame, and the Republicans themselves have the most blame of all.

        Quit trying to sew division. We need unity now, not to rehash old grievances.

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          23 days ago

          I mean, neither side took a stand against genocide, so any would-be progressive who sought to “punish” the Democrats by not voting for them over this gets as much sympathy from me as all the regressive dipshits whose faces keep getting eaten by leopards. Every vote that wasn’t cast for the “genocidal” Democrats was a vote cast for the genocidal and also fascist white nationalist party.

          How’s it feel knowing you’ve got a great view of 'Murrica openly trying to emulate 1930s Germany from the saddle of your moral high horse?

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            23 days ago

            Straw man. I voted for Harris.

            https://www.commondreams.org/news/aoc-democrats:

            Just 28% of Democratic voters said they support a so-called “moderate” approach.

            How does it feel knowing you facilitated fascism by refusing to hold establishment democrats’ feet to the fire so they would adopt a platform for people instead of billionaires?

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        22 days ago

        The Democrats are constantly cutting their own hamstrings by courting the conservatives base rather than their own base. That’s why they always lose. Too many Chuck Schumers, not enough AOCs. The mainstream dems can’t stop suckling the corporate teet long enough to notice they’re getting played.

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        24 days ago

        Do I need to change my name to name-name-3digits to join your trollfarm?

        Edit: they got me boys, there goes all my karma. Hahah.

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      24 days ago

      Too bad Dems held no primary and foisted a genocidal dementia patient on us as the only alternative.

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      24 days ago

      When trump was president the first time, we all agreed it was bad and things needed fixed.

      A large amount of Dem voters held their nose and voted Biden because he was the only option and even Biden was better than trump…

      But instead of fixing anything, Biden just tried to gaslight America that things were fine, and didn’t actually fix anything despite having the House and Senate like trump does.

      Then Biden held on to the last possible moment so there wouldn’t be a primary, tried to hand the nomination to an even more historically unpopular VP who couldn’t win, and she said she wouldn’t do anything different, except putting a Republican in her cabinet.

      So you can blame voters not voting.

      But it just sounds like a shady car salesman bitching no one will buy his lemons.

      It’s the literal and only job for a candidate and their campaign team to win an election. We can’t blame primary voters for picking a bad option, they had no say in who the candidate was.

      This is bigger than your ego being wrong about what voters will put up with

      We can’t afford to deny reality so you feel better about your unpopular opinions about what Dem voters want.

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        24 days ago

        It can simultaneously be true that the democrats did a god awful job campaigning, and that people are fucking idiots for not voting for them.

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          If Kamala would have won the neoliberals would have maintained control of the DNC another four years, would have squashed the primary again, and we’d have been stuck voting for someone we don’t want who won’t fix anything for 8 years…

          Shit is too bad to keep not fixing it.

          It would have been kicking the can down the road another couple years and we’d be in the same scenario again. Meanwhile the wealthy would continue winning and 99% of us would keep losing.

          Maybe it wasn’t bad for you till now, maybe you’d even be fine waiting a decade before we fixed anything…

          But most Americans weren’t

          Getting upset that they didn’t care about you after decades not caring about them makes you look at best uninformed about the entire last 50 years of American political history.

          So…

          How about you stop bitching that the people you wouldn’t help didn’t help you and start working with everyone else that needs help.

          That’s the way to actually get anyone help, if you’re not in board, don’t be surprised when no one wants to listen to you

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            24 days ago

            So true bestie, glad we voted in a fascist so we don’t have to worry about elections at all anymore. Really stuck it to those pesky libs.

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              Maybe you voted for trump, but I held my nose like I always do.

              Crazy you all think everyone explaining why Kamala lost didn’t vote for her.

              Like, I guess it makes sense tho, without the empathy to understand why some people couldn’t or wouldn’t hold their nose, you also can’t understand how anyone else can empathize with them.

              To someone like that, it would make sense why they’d assume anyone explaining this didn’t vote D.

              It’s sad, but thanks to empathy I can understand why you’re saying the things you’re saying, and why you can’t understand anything that’s happening

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          24 days ago

          They didn’t do a bad job campaigning, they told us exactly who they are, barely left of trump Republicans

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      24 days ago

      Vote for what, the people that gave us trump, the people that denied a genocide of brown people was occuring, the people that welcomed war criminals with open arms? 50 years of liberals lesser evil gave us incremental fascism.

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        Frederick Douglas worked for Lincoln even though Lincoln wasn’t running as an anti-slavery candidate

        Douglass was also very involved in national politics, and as the presidential election of 1860 approached, he advocated for candidates with strong antislavery platforms. American voters received a ballot crowded with four candidates: Abraham Lincoln (Republican), John C. Breckenridge (Southern Democrat), Stephen A. Douglas (Democrat), and John Bell (Constitutional Union). Douglas’s belief in “popular sovereignty,” Breckenridge’s pro-slavery platform, and Bell’s aversion to the issue entirely left Frederick Douglass to endorse Lincoln and the Republicans, whom he believed were more antislavery than the divided Democrats.