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More and more US troops deployed to West Asia are expressing doubts about fighting in the war against Iran, including having to “die for Israel,” the Huffington Post reported on 23 March.
A veteran and reservist who mentors younger officers told HuffPost that troops she speaks with are expressing a loss of faith after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu helped push US President Donald Trump to go to war against Iran.
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Interviews further revealed that troops are worried about inadequate protection from Iranian ballistic missiles and drones targeting US bases in the Gulf region.
“Getting random indirect fire is not the same as watching the entire gym and coffee shop and some dorms get blown up from a door less than 50 meters away,” said one service member.
I was vulnerable, impoverished, and 18 at one time, and recruiters told me I could have free 3 squares and then college paid for, which I would have loved, but for some reason I still had the good sense to recognize immediately that it wasn’t worth killing other poor people in other parts of the world. In fact it was empathy that played a big part in my refusal to be a part of such an evil institution.
Yes, having empathy for the victims of the US military, like the poor working class families of brown people they murder, having more empathy for them than the ones who signed up to do the murdering is virtuous and pragmatic.
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Because I and millions of other people who are in situations just as if not more dire than the troops are able to not “fall to propaganda,” yes, I expect others to be able to do the same. You’re missing the point though, It doesn’t matter what I expect, it’s simple and undeniable proof that being 18, impoverished, and offered (mostly false) promises of alleviation from that poverty, is not reason enough for most people to be willing to join a murder cult.
Says the one simping for murderers.
Guess we had better stop hatin’ on capitalists then. It’s all just material conditions, not their fault. Cops? They just needed a job like anyone else!
Wtf are you even talking about? When did I say I had the ability to “get rid of them”? That would be nice, but I… Ohhhh, you’re talking about letting child murderers and their facilitators join socialist orgs, something which wasn’t even part of this thread, but apparently is a bug stuck in your craw from some previous discussion. Fine, I’ll bite. Yeah, that’s just purity politics, we should let cops join our orgs too. (Eyeroll). Personally, I actually might be willing to let a veteran join an org where I had control of who could become a member if and only if they fully recognized that they chose to become class traitors and joined the enemy, that they made a nearly irredeemably cruel and selfish choice that caused real material harm and have spent their lives since that recognition doing what they can to make amends to the peoples they wronged and being willing to sacrifice their own well being to improve the lives of the victims of the imperialism they were a willing part of. Most vets though think they deserve our “respect” for their cowardly choice and want special benefits above other poor people. Fuck anyone like that, they should be grateful they didn’t come home in a box. There were millions of other poor people who weren’t willing to facilitate or outright commit mass murder in exchange for college tuition. However I would not blame any org for refusing any and all US vets and I wouldn’t blame anyone for refusing to join an org who does allow US vets in. The same way I wouldn’t expect someone whose family had been murdered to let bygones be bygones and work hand in hand with the “rehabilitated” murderer of their family.
It’s the only thing you’re hearing? That’s really weird considering no one here has said anything even remotely like that.
Your position is neither more humane nor is it “smarter.”
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Ah, doing the accusation -> confession thing, I see.
Petty redditism. Typical.
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Get that everybody? We have to help the bourgeoisie first before we can help the working class. We have to help the leaders of the imperialist hegemon first before we can help the people of the global south. We have to help the entity first before… fuck it, I don’t even want to finish saying that one.
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