Security forces were given free rein to use lethal force during the January 8–9 crackdown to spread fear and deter further protests in Iran, a senior government official said in a closed-door meeting, according to a source familiar with the talks.
The closed-door meeting was held to brief senior government officials and local governors on the brutal crackdown on protesters, the source told Iran International.
The senior official said security forces were given “full authority and a blank check to attack, with the aim of creating maximum fear to deter the resurgence of protests," the source said.
The order, he added, made no distinction between civilians and others.
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The senior official speaking at the meeting was presenting assessments by security bodies that sharply contradict the government’s official figures on the killings.
While the official death toll stands at nearly 3,000, classified documents and eyewitness reports reviewed by Iran International’s editorial board show that more than 36,500 people were killed during the targeted suppression of Iran’s national uprising on the orders of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei.
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If the US government killed 36,000 protesters I would probably want them to.
No you wouldn’t. Just look at how many Americans die each year due to lack of health care. Then look at how many Americans die due to gun violence. Then look at how many American veterans commit suicide each day. Stop acting like you care, about Iranians or Americans. Or at least start caring instead of raising that veteran suicide number.
So you don’t currently feel it would be justified to overthrow the US government over what happened in MN? Interesting.
Edit: so what’s the threshold here? How many they gotta execute in the streets for you to support Iran bringing freedom to the American people?
I think it’s self evident that 6 and 36,000 are not even close to the same number. Given the instance you are from I would like to ask a follow up question though. How do you feel about all the protesters killed by the Chinese and Russian governments? Do they matter as much as the Iranians or Americans killed by their respective governments?
Yeah of course they matter, thanks for making really weird assumptions about my morals based on a domain name you fucking weirdo. Do they justify supporting any given country invading them is the question here. I don’t think there’s a number that could get me to support that but it seems like you have one you’re just not willing to name it. So far it’s narrowed down between 6 and 36000.
It’s a perfectly fair assumption given the fact that you’re attempting to equate two numbers that are multiple orders of magnitude apart for ideological reasons.
What sort of action should the world take against governments that murder protesters?
in Tankie logic a few dead americans is somehow means the USA should collapse, but the mass murders of Mao and Stalin are totally OK because it was for the ‘greater good’. because things are SO GREAT in those countries for the average citizen… soooo much better than it is in the USA/Europe.
Everyone agrees that killing protesters is wrong, no matter the number. The real issue isn’t just about how many deaths justify action, it’s about fairness. Why do some countries face outrage and others don’t?
Instead of arguing over numbers, maybe we should focus on how to hold all governments accountable without making things worse. (Which is just dreams, we can’t really hold anyone accountable nowadays)
Violence from outside rarely fixes things, but ignoring injustice isn’t the answer either. The goal should be justice for all, not just the cases that fit our biases, and no country should unilaterally decide when or how to intervene in another’s affairs without facing serious scrutiny.
Ultimately, I don’t believe the US and Israel would intervene in Iran to protect protesters. It feels more like a pretext to install a regime that serves their own interests, more precisely, Israels interest. For “the great israel”.
Also, never forget Holodomor, done by the zionist stalin in order to decimate a freedom movement at that time.
that’s all about the frame of reference and how much people identify and worship the victims. 50 dead Israelis is an outrage, 100K dead Palestinians is an afterthought. why? because people identify with one, and not the other. not much different if a factory explodes and 500 workers die, but the coverage and empathy and ‘tragedy’ will be all about the owner.
the issue is governments are run by people. people don’t want to be held accountable for their actions. violence works because people fear it. violence doesn’t have to be physical either. shame is a powerful motivator.
USA would bomb the shit out of iran under the false pretense they are going to expand democracy and liberal self-determination. that would happen, but that would be the rational, and why the ‘people’ of iran are often seen as victims of their government. plus iran is a developed society and a middle-power. this wouldn’t apply to say Turkmenistan, because there would be no ‘victory’ of democratic there.
It’s all about self-interest. you are talking about broad global princples… that just don’t exist in reality. they are high-minded ideals to which no rational actor would subscribe.
I feel sorry for you for your failure to understand other people.
One cannot justify a violation of another countries sovereignty regardless of how bad things are. If the US, Iranian, Chinese, Russian, or any other citizens want their government overthrown for violations of their rights it is on them to do the work.