It is odd that all the comments from the dude were removed while the comments claiming the Russian invasion in Ukraine is justified by Ukrainians being Nazis are upvoted and kept.
In that conversation, it looks like only one bell ring is accepted, and that bell ring is the narrative pushed by the Russian side. The same one Who is, in fact, the aggressor in that war.
If I didn’t know that lemmy was a place of inclusiveness and freedom of speech, I would think that this is a place for Russian propaganda
Yeppers! The admins of this instance works hard to keep liberal empire propaganda out. Russia “propaganda” is just news the empire doesnt want you to see
I suppose all of these headlines are Russian propaganda too?
I think the “all russians are lying always” person was removed because of rabid mask-off racism.
Its not our fault that our enemies inevitably go for racism.
justified by Ukrainians being Nazis
Nope, by the Ukranian government being nazis who took power in a US-backed coup and immediately began shelling Russian speaking Ukranians in the eastern half of the country for eight years. The Donbas republics called on Russia for help, and here we are.
It doesn’t matter what you believe in geopolitics, it matters what you do. Simply being a nazi, while disgusting, does not invite an international response. Committing ethnic cleansing sometimes does.
The same one Who is, in fact, the aggressor in that war.
Who is the aggressor in Palestine? Hamas started it all on October 7th, right? That’s certainly what western media wants you to believe; the same media telling you the Ukranian war began out of nowhere in Ferbuary 2022.
this is a place for Russian propaganda
When all you’ve experienced your whole life is US propaganda, reality feels like Russian propaganda. If social media was big in 2003, you would be calling us all Iraqi bots for opposing the capitalist empire in that war too.
I believe in researchers and Wikipedia. I believe in community knowledge. And there is an actual consensus of scientifics from all around the world including Russians who says that there hasn’t been a genocide in the donbas.
If there was a genocide in the donbas, it would mean that hundreds of independent researchers were in some sort of international plot to make the Russian be the bad guys. And the Ockham razor tells me this is very unlikely. I am a researcher myself, and I know that researchers in my country are free to make the research they like. The Ukrainian are no angels, and I am aware that they poorly handled the Russian-Ukrainian matter in the east. But the science is consensual about the fact that there has been no genocide. The only people pushing that rethoric is the Russian gov.
The us propaganda would like me to think that the Hamas is the only bad guy and that everything started the 7th of October but the researcher community is very well aware that this is not the case and I am listening to them.
I am very much anti US imperialism myself, just as much as I am of any imperialism, including Russian imperialism. Putin, Trump and bibi are very much the same kind of people. Despicable people.
Unlike the removed user, you seem to hide behind a mask of stupidity.
“I deliberately chose to ignore all evidence regarding the genocide in donbas because im stupid”
You think anyone gonna believe that?
Attack the messenger, that only serves my point. You do not have sensible arguments explaining how the vast majority of researchers have consensus on the fact that Russia has no legitimate, good, reason to invade Ukraine in the view of someone concerned with human rights. By sensible, I mean not one that involves the theory that all researchers of the world are on a pay roll. Because you do not have such robust argument, you resort to ad hominem attacks that serve my point.
If you had some peer reviewed litterature confirming the genocidal thesis on Donbass, you would have provided it to me. But you haven’t. It means that either it doesn’t exist or that you do not have the necessary method to distinguish propaganda from fact. Or that you are a troll.
I have a method. Maybe it isn’t right and maybe it is misleading. But I have an actual method to check the news. It is robust and hasn’t failed me in the past. This method is rejecting the Donbass genocide story.
Other users have already posted evidence. You continue to pretend to not see it.
Where’s YOUR evidence btw? You can certainly talk big, but is your big talk backed by anything, or are you just full of hot air?
Are you kidding? At the age of AI, and even before that, a few pictures is not evidence. the fact that there are actually some Nazis among Ukrainians doesn’t prove anything about any genocide. Plus it is not on me to assess evidence. It is on the researchers. What I do isn’t necessarily to check the evidence myself but trust in the community of hundreds of researchers to tell it if they find actual evidence. When there is no evidence, there is no paper. That’s the case here, there is no peer reviewed article to read. Because that genocide claim is a story.
It is not up to me to prove that something didn’t happen. I don’t have to prove to you that dragons don’t exist. It is on you, if you claim otherwise, to prove to me that dragons actually exist.
However, I can share with you this statement signed by hundreds of scholars on the genocide matter: https://www.historynewsnetwork.org/article/182573
I can also share this explanation of Alex Hinton, a genocide specialist cited over a 1000 times in a journal which I recommend dearly because it is maintained by researchers on all topics and is usually well sourced. In this article, Alex Hinton explains on which basis Putin is claiming there has been a genocide in Donbass, and proceed to put that into perspective by comparing the number of deaths: https://theconversation.com/putins-claims-that-ukraine-is-committing-genocide-are-baseless-but-not-unprecedented-177511
But again, there is no proof to provide about that genocide because there is no genocide. I have no proof to give to convince anyone that something doesn’t exist. That is basic zetetic.
Cope
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I think you are not very removed.
Edit: you are removed now though
Based on your comment, quite a lot
Ignore this jackeroni person, he is one of known propagandist here on Lemmy who constantly posts kremlin-linked propaganda websites. When I confronted him in the past I got accused several times of being a lib.
Are you a lib though?
According to your funny moderation history you seem to be very much into censorship…
Actually, I’m a Pirate, but I am against pro-russian propaganda being spread throughout Europe and the world. Note that Kremlin actually pays people to spread their narratives online, and there are several centers in Russia that employ people who day by day spend their time behind a screen and post negative view about Ukraine just about everywhere. Check on Youtube, there was a documentary about it. A young Russian decided to blow the whistle and told what was going on inside one of these propaganda centers.
Atlanticists own whole social media ecosystems with which they can silence any dissent.
The russian propaganda won’t even reach the europeans.
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Classic fascist projection
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Im not from a country that has invaded anothers sovereignty.
If you live in a capitalist country, you absolutely are
I want a reality like in star trek where people work together instead of kill. Does that sound like fascism?
You support nazis, which makes you a nazi
Trump, Putin, Xi, Ben Neytyahoo
Lol, “all sides bad, every society evil!” Babybrained chauvinist shit, talking over actual Chinese people who overwhelmingly support their government. You, noble nazi supporter, surely know better than those brainwashed, threatened, untrustworthy asians.
Sure go ahead and pile on downvotes from your 3 other propaganda friends on lemmy
Don’t mind if I do🤷♂️
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“Like star trek, but without russians”
That would be… fascism
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So, most people are incapable of self restraint? In what way?
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thatll teach him for invading russia!
For committing eight years of ethnic cleansing against russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine
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Most radlibs, when confronted about their nazi beliefs, will lie, act like they’re stupid, and try to weasel their way out.
But you don’t. You say the quiet part out loud, just like trump.
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How do you know a Russian is lying? Their mouth moves
You’re like a parody of a racist, and the fact that you just deny the eight years of slaughter documented by WESTERN sources (not that it should matter) in service of a nazi regime is fucking disgusting. At this point just start denying the Holocaust, you freak.
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Oh wait, it’s you. We’ve been down this road before, you just stammer and justify the Ukranian nazi government and project their crimes. No amount of eveidence has ever swayed you, because you have a fundamentally childish Good Team Bad Team worldview and you’ve denied or downplayed actual fascist atrocities on a number of occasions to stick it to the genetically evil Russians. When the war crimes tribunals come for the Ukranian coup government that’s been killing their own people for over ten years, you’ll probably call the ICC Russian nazis.
5 mil civilians were killed because of their religion or they didnt like nazis
Lol, it’s one thing to not know what this war is about but it’s another to have this babyish an idea of what WW2 was about. Do me a favor and study up before you start talking next time, yeah? So you don’t say something that’s on the same level of stupid as “Israel/Palestine is a religious conflict.”
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Youve never given evidence
Sure thing grandpa, let’s get you to the Hague now
How do you know a Russian is lying? Their mouth moves
Just read your own words. I’ve got nothing else to add. If you can’t see the issue here, you’re beyond hope.
