Context: PugJesus often spams low quality posts across the dozen or so communities they mod, apparently downvoting low effort spam on my frontpage is trolling. The only other action in the modlog is a different ban for 74 years for “Mass downvoting innocuous content,” so it definitely seems they are just banning people that dislike their spam. Glad we’re not missing out on the reddit mod experience here.
This is why piefed implemented an anonymous voting option, so power tripping mods can’t ban you for down voting their posts.Never mind, I guess the power tripping mods got it removed.
Wasn’t that option removed eventually due to it breaking social aspects of federation?
Yes, instead it was replaced with an option to have votes federate or not.
Yes, and some of us mods had automated banning proxy voting a little before the feature retirement
One could always curate their own feed instead.
I do, but I also like going on all to see what is out there. Unfortunately it can get buried when the same person is spamming a dozen submissions in a couple hours.
Just block him?
sure but is downvoting bad content forbidden now?
It’s a pretty bad idea to down vote everything the mod of a community posts, even if it deserves it
I think if you’re downvoting posts just because you feel the person sharing them is spamming, especially in a community you don’t contribute to, you should just block the person instead of putting a metaphorical thumb on the scale in community you don’t care about.
so, it is forbidden? i’m not thinking of a particular user btw, although the one mentioned by op is quite power trippy, yea.
I don’t see any specific rules for the grimdank community, but piefed.social does have this instance rule:
2. Spam and Malicious Behavior
- No spamming, flooding, or advertising without permission.
- No scams, phishing attempts, or distribution of malware.
- No brigading, vote manipulation, or coordinated harassment.
I could see a case for arguing it’s vote manipulation, although I feel that’s kind of a reach. I just find it weird to get annoyed that someone is posting too much in a shitpost meme sub. Browsing the All feed and getting annoyed with that feels akin to going to a club and being annoyed there’s loud music. Just block the poster bothering you and move on.
It’s not forbidden, but also don’t act surprised when whoever you’re downvoting excludes you from their community, which shouldn’t be a big loss to begin with.
i mean, that’s a bit of a power trip though ain’t it?
Are you not familiar with pug?
I am, I’ve never run into any issues with them personally.
Well I find that hard to believe, but that’s not quite what I asked. I said are you familiar with them. More specifically how they post. Because you must know they post like 150 posts a day. Spamming simultaniously all across multiple communities usually very low effort brain rot quality posts. It is extremely easy to end up down voting a lot of their posts. In fact if you have any Integrity you probably are going to end up down voting a lot of their stuff.
Now I certainly agree that blocking them is the easier, and far more intelligent, option. However if you don’t pay attention to who’s posting things it’s very easy not to realize you’re down voting the same person over and over. And I don’t think most people do. Unless they have that user tagged or something.
Then block the user.
- Do yourselves a favor and pe-emptively block PG’s communities. He’ll just delete anything you say counter to his “Vaguely Left-Wing” point of view, and he’ll perhaps ban you. He curates them to be ideological bubbles.
- I and other mods & admins do ban people for vote spamming. For instance: 1) in the case of alt accounts that some people use solely for voting multiple times, 2) in the case of people who always downvote specific communities and 3) in the case of people who downvote a particular person regardless of the content.
Edit to add: He posts almost exclusively to the communities he mods.
I just told them to go away and no speak to me. They have so far and they haven’t banned me from anything yet.
He doesn’t ban people who share his politics https://lemmy.world/modlog?userId=640406
Care to elaborate on what I can only assume is some passive aggressive insult?
You share the same political beliefs as PJ and he actively seeks an echo chamber. Why would he ban someone likely to agree with him or upvote his content? Even if you don’t directly engage with him you might comment favorably on someone else’s posts even and he can get his fix. Almost all of his energy is driven to political content is why this matters.
That’s not an insult to you, at least not from me.
What political beliefs are those exactly? Be specific not vague and repetitive.
That’s not an insult to you, at least not from me.
Sounds like an insult to me but I also didn’t ask you and you also didn’t get exact either nor how you’ve developed a understanding of my political beliefs from the modlog of all places.
Blocking pugjeasus is the best move anyone on lemmy can do
do yourself a favor and block PugJesus. they’re a turbolib that borders on fascist more often than not.
That user was one of the first that I blocked. Blocking users has made a greater positive impact on my feeds than blocking communities.
The first user I remember blocking was the Lemmit bot that just reposted everything from Reddit, I think including comments.
Oh god, that was also one of the first users i blocked alongside a few other bots and pugjesus
I’m gonna be blocking someone, but it ain’t gonna be PugJesus.
fantastic. thanks for sharing.
I didn’t know I had at least 23 accounts 🤔
oh i assumed this meant you were born in '23. congrats on making it to 102 btw
Ugh, Pugjesus, no surprises here
Why is all the drama always about one guy. I think this is at least the third “front page” post I have seen involving drama with this guy in just a few months.
Can’t we just implement some reasonable go touch grass cooldown period. No modding or posting from that account or IPs associated with his account for 90 days.
If its a problem as soon as he’s back then 180 days next time.
What’s your experience with them?
They post a lot of content in some historical artifact community, and they seem very cordial and nice there. Might even be Swedish, but not sure about that.
You’re not surprised about what exactly, out of curiosity?
To me? Nothing. However I have seen many people post getting bans from them for super petty reasons, like downvoting a post.I have also seen this person be a point of contention a few times in some more shitposty places. So I just tend to avoid commenting on anything they post.
Never would’ve guessed they had an ego this fragile. Disappointing.
I like the historical artifacts posts AND I’ve seen PG be a dick. I try to encourage the good in him through positive reinforcement.
Unfortunately, my experience with social media has been that a lot of the most visible posters often are touchy, and can be a little domineering where they can. I look at his history posts, like the art ones, etc. However, unless I specifically have something to say that fully within the confines of the subject, and not negative, I will not post. In other spaces I block them. This isn’t necessarily PJ I am talking about either, this is a broader thing with these platforms. It is what it is I guess.
Sounds like an unfortunate phenomenon. People who post a lot on social media, especially online communities, might have limited social lives compared to people who don’t post a lot. And thus they might… define themselves a little bit, by the success of their posts? Perhaps? That’s what I’m thinking. And so they become very defensive and protective of their online presence and it’s a fragile thing for them if it’s a large part of who they are.
I post a fair bit compared to the average user, but that’s only because I recently moved away so my social life is absolute shit right now.
I’ve interacted with quite a few of the top posters here, most have been pretty chill if not genuinely motivated to build communities, at least in my experience. But, I agree that spending too much time on social media can be unhealthy. I had a near breakdown and had to cut myself off years ago when I was a monster of a teenage moderator, so I try not to judge too harshly and stay aware of my mood on here.
Aside from what has already been said a lot of that history is stuff on the caliber of “Rome invented roads!”.
The communities I’m subscribed to have a lot of interesting things, like the historical artifacts one. But it is often just pictures… You have to ask for more info, but it’s usually provided after that.
But I can imagine what you’re saying as well. 😅
There are definitely treasure troves of interesting things in wikipedia. Asking for more info or context though often risks this kinda thread, unfortunately.
He’s banned me from all his communities. Power tripper and disingenuous in how he engages
Another squid!
PugJesus has always rubbed me the wrong way. He always inserted whataboutisms in rambling ways which put the onus on you to figure out his esoteric points. Then you try to answer what you think he’s trying to convey, and he just roasts you on that instead.
Very bad faith mod/Lemming that should be avoided should you care for your mental health
PTB/CLM.
I think that “Mass downvoting” is a valid reason for a community ban, but I would expect a temp ban if it is not a repeating behavior.
But it isn’t trolling by itself. That bad qualified ban could have a bad impact in others mods or admins evaluating the OP behavior.
May be in the future, communities should choose who can vote (subscribed, instance members or any user) and then only been show in the corresponding feeds. But I suspect that most of the mods that ban downvoters don’t want that they community posts don’t be shown in the All feed.
How do you see your ban reasoning?
In the modlog. Here is yours.
Heh, I stand by my words.
Just block PJ. They’re a turbolib troll. You’ll feel better not seeing the junk they crank out.
It seems lately they’ve at least stopped making a thing about throwing shitfits in communities they don’t control and moderate.So as far as I am concerned: it’s their mind palace. I wouldn’t take their mod actions seriously or personally.Nevermind they must’ve seen this thread and my Local feed is now filling with MeanwhileOnGrad posts about users in this thread.
Meanwhile PugJesus is banned from db0 due to stalking and mass downvoting my account, and said the admins were abusing authority for banning him while he confessed doing it with joy.
What a joke of a person he is. At least he’s started to into his own echo chamber instead of trying to convert spaces into his own. I remember when he would mass report people disagreeing with him, while giving citations that said he was wrong. The mods told him to stop reporting people who weren’t breaking any rules, and he told them to do it anyways.
Needless to say, PTB.
I remember when he would mass report people disagreeing with him
I saw four such reports from him today. Two were ostensibly over someone being inadequately suspicious of a North Korean working for Amazon. The other two were ostensibly over people making political comments in an explicitly political post.
He also immediately screenshot the comment you’re replying to after the thread was 2 days old. He’s obsessed with people talking about his actions and thinks they’re worse than the fascists in office he does nothing about.
There is an option in your settings so you don’t see upvotes or downvotes.
None of these imaginary points matter. I couldn’t imagine spending my time wringing my hands over how others vote. Or wasting my life looking up every comment and post, agonizing over who voted and how.
But its your life though, go nuts nutzos. Consider defederating if your skin is this paper thin.
(Lemmy is rad)
I am not speaking for the user who OP referred to here, but it’s not about visibility but about the impact of downvotes in terms of trying to grow and maintain a community.
If someone who doesn’t like metal music enters !metal@lemmy.world and downvotes every post there - and commits themselves to doing it to every new post, this hurts their visibility across the Fediverse. Would you not say its reasonable, in this specific hypothetical, for the community owner to ban a user who does that?
Yep, it’s not about being offended by downvotes. It’s about stopping users from drowning all the content in a community because it didn’t spark joy for them.
If we couldn’t ban for that, it would give folks free license to brigade. The women and trans communities would be sunk. There would stupid pissing contests between the Fuck AI and Pro AI people, and I hate them both. It’s good they can just cut the fuse by banning each other so they can stay cozy in their homes. Everyone should get to be cozy and happy in their houses, where angry letters are to be expected, but hurling rocks at the windows is discouraged.
If someone who doesn’t like metal music enters !metal@lemmy.world and downvotes every post there
See, that’s not what is happening, I’m not against the concept of the community, I think they are poor quality submissions for that community.
I’m not speaking for whatever you did. Just generally, there can be legitimate reasons for community owners to ban specific downvoters.
Sad almost exactly y this a few weeks ago. I post pictures of my cat and that’s about it. I really don’t understand people taking these numbers seriously.
Shame on the mods in this thread saying you deserved it, these disgusting hypocrites deserve to be banned themselves per their own reason. Never fret downvoting it is perfectly normal if someone has attached their self value onto upvotes it is not your responsibility to satisfy them. Upvote what you want, downvote what you want. Truly shame on anyone who thinks mods should be behaving this way.
It’s context-driven. Small communities trying to build can get visibility hammered by random downvotes. Downvote trolls can be a problem for small communities trying to build up as they can successfully bury threads. I managed to discover the serial downvoters on my old television lemm.ee community and when I banned them (about 5 of them?) it had a huge impact. They didn’t all downvote /everything/ but they downvoted a lot of things, and they had no contribution to their names. Some of the accounts in question literally had no posting history. These accounts just existed to downvote.
Now, I wouldn’t just ban random accounts for occasional downvotes spread out over a time period - but if I kept seeing the same names on threads (and they never actually engaged with the community) with no discernable pattern of downvoting - that’s a different story.
Now, did abbotsbury’s behaviour justify that? I have no idea. I’m speaking generally.
And i’ll tell you HHHHwhat, power tripping mods have significantly more negative effect on any community than any downvotes.
Does the situation I refer to above sound like power-tripping to you?
Yes. Take some responsibility, have some humility and harden the fuck up don’t put yourself in a position of power if you are going to use that power when your feelings get hurt.
Has nothing to do with sensitivity. Just simply not wanting new posts to be buried because of random repeat downvoters who clearly have no interest in the community. My community is now long-past this, but it wasn’t always.
Well heres progress. They are “repeat downvoters” and not (((trolls))) now?
I never called anyone a troll.
So what exactly makes them trolls? You can’t just call someone doing their own thing a troll, that’s nazi tier wrong. So are they doing it on purpose or are they trying to curate their own feeds by upvoting and downvoting content they see accordingly?
I didn’t use the term “troll” - just that mass-downvoting of content in a community that you don’t engage in is harmful to that communities health and stunts its ability to grow if its sustained.
Whether or not they’re doing it to curate their feeds or not is irrelevant, the point is that it is unwelcome bulk downvoting that only harms the community. If they have no interest in it, and are never going to post in the first place, why would it matter if they’re banned?
Buddy listen to yourself “why would it matter if they’re banned?” and yes you did use the term (((troll))) as a way to justify your actions against individuals you disagree with. You shouldn’t be expressing your opinions through moderation it’s always going to be wrong.
Buddy listen to yourself “why would it matter if they’re banned?” and yes you did use the term (((troll))) as a way to justify your actions against individuals you disagree with.
You realise I’m not the person the OP is referring to, right? I’m just saying that mass-downvoting all posts in a community can be harmful to that community and thus sometimes is reasonable for the community owner to ban the person doing it if they have no other contribution and clearly just outright dislike the community.
Okay mass downvoting is bad - is mass downvoting something an individual expressing their opinions can do inadvertently or is it a malicious action by a malicious individual? Again you are trying to paint someone with a different opinion than you as deserving of mod actions.
Whether or not it is malicious or not isn’t relevant really. The effect is still the same.
Again you are trying to paint someone with a different opinion than you as deserving of mod actions.
I mean, speaking broadly - that goes for all actions. If people abuse others or harass others or throw out slurs then I also regard that as “deserving mod action”.
All I’m saying - and being outright open about it - that if someone mass downvotes the majority of posts they see coming from a specific community on the feed, that it’s a perfectly legitimate reason for the community moderator to ban them for that.
