The worst-case scenario is now a possible one: European troops fighting off an invasion largely alone.

It’s by no means clear the Europeans would succeed. Romanian and other European officials at the exercise in Cincu, about 260 kilometers (162 miles) north of Bucharest by road, voiced concerns about how long it would take for NATO allies to make it to the front.

French four-star General Philippe de Montenon said he’s confident Europe could prevail, even without the US on side. “The direction of history is a progressive disengagement of the United States from the European continent,” he said.

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  • Typotyper@sh.itjust.works
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    If the US fails to honor NATO’s Article 5 then the rest of the world will worry the US won’t honor their defence packs.

    Japan Taiwan Philippines South Korea

    Nuclear proliferation will follow

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      Japan Taiwan Philippines South Korea

      Are client states under the occupation of the US military. They aren’t worried the US might fall to act. They’re worried the US might act to remove their leaders and replace them with more pliant ones.

      Nuclear proliferation will follow

      Why would an occupied territory hosting US nuclear weapons build their own nuclear arsenal?

      Why would the US allow them to do so?

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            Again, very bizzare take. There are people in literally every country that wants foreign influence or bases out, that proves nothing and that number of people is very minimal compared to people who want them. The locals in Okinawa are one such example as the military presence is disturbing and soldiers are not known for ethics. I’m in one of your so claimed “occupied states”, and everyone’s thankful for the alliance (literally no one calls it occupation except Russian people living here who hate everyone who tries to defend themselves from the next invasion).

            Random, but did you know an alternate name for Russians where I live is “occupiers”? If you say “occupiers”, literally everyone knows that means Russians.

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              There are people in literally every country that wants foreign influence or bases out, that proves nothing

              You don’t think an enormous population of foreign military resulting in high rates of unprosecuted sexual violence and organized crime demonstrates anything about the state of politics in the host country?

              So you believe people in Korea, Japan, and the Philippines at the highest levels of power just… want this for their people? Or do you think they’re so beaten down they don’t believe in their own capacity for self-defense?

              Random, but did you know an alternate name for Russians where I live is “occupiers”?

              I mean, you keep coming back to Russians, as though you think they’re a different species.

              I guess you’d call them, what? Orks?

              Is the violent occupation of conquered territory only a problem for you when the occupying army is Slavic?

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                You don’t think an enormous population of foreign military resulting in high rates of unprosecuted sexual violence and organized crime demonstrates anything about the state of politics in the host country?

                So you believe people in Korea, Japan, and the Philippines at the highest levels of power just… want this for their people? Or do you think they’re so beaten down they don’t believe in their own capacity for self-defense?

                Please read the article you yourself sent me and give me source for your “high rates”. I’m not denying the issue exists, but officials have been fighting this issue with good results. If you think few bad apples are worse than risking entire country and millions of people then… I can’t even argue that, I’d just call you extremely dumb and move on.

                Is the violent occupation of conquered territory only a problem for you when the occupying army is Slavic?

                The irony here is that I’m Slavic. I also clearly signalized against Chinese aggression. I’m not anti-Russian, I’m anti-whoever-can’t-stay-in-their-borders-and/or-do-colonialism

                EDIT: Random, but who do you think is responsible for more Slav deaths - Nazi Germany or Russia?

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                  Please read the article you yourself

                  Buddy, you can try reading past the first paragraph. There’s an extended back and forth in the interview discussing the violence around these bases and their broad unpopularity.

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        Why would an occupied territory hosting US nuclear weapons build their own nuclear arsenal?

        Many of them already do have nuclear weapons of their own. Also the US wouldn’t have any say in whether or not they produce nuclear weapons they could announce their preference but they have no ability to enforce it.