• antisocialite@lemmy.today
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    2 days ago

    Yeah, wow, clearly no one has ever thought of that one.

    As the adage goes, it’s easy to be a conspiracy theorist when you don’t know how anything works.

  • Pichu0102@lemmy.world
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    As someone disabled, I have a bad feeling about how they’ll decide which groups of people get the placebo vaccine…

  • Blade9732@lemmy.world
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    Welp, I guess I can check off “Do unethical medical experiments on people” from my “Are Republicans actually Nazis?” Checklist. Next up: Get Bayer to restart pesticide production to clean up the migrant detention centers.

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    So he wants to expose unvaccinated people to diseases to test the efficacy of vaccines? Sounds ethical and not psychotic at all …

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    Sigh.

    It’s unnecessary. It’s stupid. But at least it’s not actively harmful, I guess.

    Edit: Nope, actually, it definitely is.

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      From the article, it’s probably going to be actively harmful:

      The Trump administration plans to impose a new testing requirement for new vaccines — a demand that could delay the availability of the next round of COVID-19 vaccines and complicate the approval of other vaccines.

      Additionally, this all but insures people will catch diseases - potentially fatal diseases like COVID - when they don’t need to because they’ll be given a placebo:

      In addition, experts say that giving someone a placebo to protect them against a potentially deadly disease when an effective vaccine already exists would be unethical.

      “Are they really planning on doing a placebo-controlled trial where a certain group of people are not given that vaccine, knowing that the virus can cause infection and disease, including serious disease in anyone? Anyone can be felled by this virus,” Offit says. “So it’s not an ethical trial.”

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        Great point. Someone else noted it’s also unethical to give a placebo to someone who then thinks they’re protected. So great job, leatherface. We need to put the “Health” in your job title in very heavy scare quotes.

        Edit: You added in that exact same thing right after I posted the reply. Nice.

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    1. Have there been any studies that show placebo effect doesn’t really apply to infectious disease? I would wager that there is one, if not several.

    2. Wouldn’t the unvaccinated public, exposed in the early days of a pandemic, then be an effective control?

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      1: afaik placebos have no effect on vaccines that’s correct, because it’s not something that’s subjective… you either have an infection or you don’t: you can’t think yourself better

      2: the way we do efficacy trials is already exactly this: we give trial participants the vaccine and compare their infection rates to known infection rates in the general population that match the demographics of the trial participants as closely as possible