• MeThisGuy@feddit.nl
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    1 day ago

    China’s “helping” by investing heavily all along the silk road, full on newly built ports in Africa, and any nation who wants to become the new cheap labor market so China doesn’t have to, and can grow, usually by ripping off other nations technologies.

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      You know the surveillance state in China? You know those bitch ass tech bros in the US and elsewhere? The ones who claim we need a bigger more invasive surveillance state in the West else China will win?

      They are the ones who salivated at selling and providing all the tech to China and continue to do so. Do you remember when Google initially flat out refused China’s heavily curtailed and monitored version of Google for their own market and Google initially refused because it was too authoritian? Well a few years after that they came crawling back for those sweet sweet Chinese monies and gave them all they wanted and much more.

      So ripping off is bullshit. They playing them like a fucking fiddle and developing their own tech on top of it, which is exactly what happened in all other developing nations. Japan was once seen as nothing but a cheap low-quality copycat from the 1920s to the 1960s before they suddenly became the smartest most creative people in the room… and the same shit was being flung at the Chinese until they became the massive powerhouse they are now.

      China is obviously going to help building infrastructure to benefit their own shit. But the major difference is China hasn’t bombed anyone or established overseas military bases… yet. Anything can happen in the future.

      China will also absolutely want authoritarianism to be spread and have their fingers in the data of all countries they trade with. The west is no different. They have been trying to get Apple to give them full access to any iPhone on the planet, even those belonging to people who have never left their hometowns and never will in countries nowhere near the UK. How is this better than what China wants?

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        the major difference is China hasn’t bombed anyone or established overseas military bases… yet. Anything can happen in the future.

        It’s worth noting that is changing. They have two overseas military installations now and a lot of their commercial ports are set up for dual use so they could use them for wartime navy if needed.

        But I do still think China is much more interested in economic soft power vs the USA who’s power projection is oftentimes “help us or we’re just gonna take what we want with force.”

        Obviously that’s a huge oversimplification of a very complex topic just thought it was worth mentioning China has some overseas military force projection capabilities but they’re very limited.

        I mean, the USA can basically move the equivalent of most nations military to anywhere on the planet in less than a week. It’s pretty crazy. But I think we are going to see some serious shake ups in the navy with new tech, carriers are great but it takes a lot to support them and some hypersonic missile batteries could probably make it through current defense systems. I’m not sure we’ll ever see a large scale naval battle on the open seas ever again but if that day does come it’s going to be real interesting except for, you know, all the deaths.