Doing her own thing? You know she is a famous activist right? She went on that boat knowing what would happen of course. This media attention is also what she wanted to happen.
I agree with that, she is trying to do good here. I dont think im victim blaming since I dont see an activist provocing Israeli soldiers as being a victim. She is trying to achieve her goals.
Why do you think she provoked the Israeli soldiers? She might not have done. The Israelis might just be treating her badly because they don’t like her.
Yeah, I mean you never explicitly stated it wasn’t the fault of the Israeli’s here. But I think that is still implied by what you said, and that’s why people are raging against you.
There’s a nuanced issue here about fault and responsibility, I think. The Israelis are absolutely at fault for any mistreatment of Greta (or any prisoner), and the Israelis are responsible for their actions, but Greta is also responsible for putting herself in harm’s way. However, Greta isn’t necessarily at fault for doing so, and furthermore her responsibility for her own actions must in no way detract from the responsibility nor fault by the Israeli forces.
Responsibility isn’t portioned out in percentages. Someone can be 100% responsible for something, but someone else can also have some responsibility. However, fault is portioned out, and a victim is in no way at fault for the fault of their attacker.
But your original point was that Greta “provoked” the Israelis. This is you implying fault. And I don’t think you can reasonably justify this assumption.
Doing her own thing? You know she is a famous activist right? She went on that boat knowing what would happen of course. This media attention is also what she wanted to happen.
This is classic victim blaming. “You knew you would get attacked, so it’s your fault, not the attacker’s fault.”
Her goal is to get food to starving people. Media attention furthers that goal, even if they don’t succeed directly in delivering food.
I agree with that, she is trying to do good here. I dont think im victim blaming since I dont see an activist provocing Israeli soldiers as being a victim. She is trying to achieve her goals.
Why do you think she provoked the Israeli soldiers? She might not have done. The Israelis might just be treating her badly because they don’t like her.
I was asking if its possible she did, and it would make sense if she did, given her personality and her gain from media publicity to reach her goals.
Yeah, I mean you never explicitly stated it wasn’t the fault of the Israeli’s here. But I think that is still implied by what you said, and that’s why people are raging against you.
There’s a nuanced issue here about fault and responsibility, I think. The Israelis are absolutely at fault for any mistreatment of Greta (or any prisoner), and the Israelis are responsible for their actions, but Greta is also responsible for putting herself in harm’s way. However, Greta isn’t necessarily at fault for doing so, and furthermore her responsibility for her own actions must in no way detract from the responsibility nor fault by the Israeli forces.
Responsibility isn’t portioned out in percentages. Someone can be 100% responsible for something, but someone else can also have some responsibility. However, fault is portioned out, and a victim is in no way at fault for the fault of their attacker.
But your original point was that Greta “provoked” the Israelis. This is you implying fault. And I don’t think you can reasonably justify this assumption.
I was asking if its possible she did, and it would make sense if she did, given her personality and her gain from media publicity to reach her goals.
Well what do you mean by provocation? Because I can’t imagine her doing anything that would actually warrant the responses alleged.