Vegans being banned and comments being deleted from !vegan@lemmy.world for being fake vegans.

From my perspective, the comments were in no way insulting and just part of completely normal interaction. If this decision reflects the general opinion of the mod team, then from my perspective, the biggest vegan community on Lemmy wants to be an elitist cycle of hardcore vegans only, not allowing any slightly different opinion. Which would be very unfortunate.

PS: In contrast to the name of this community, I don’t want to insult anyone here being a ‘bastard’. I just want to post this somewhere on neutral ground. I would really appreciate an open discussion without bashing anyone.

PPS: Some instances or clients seem to compress the screenshots in a way they’re unreadable. Find the full resolution here: https://imgur.com/a/8XdexTm

Linking the affected users and mods: @Cypher@lemmy.world @gaael@lemmy.world @gredo@lemmy.world @iiGxC@slrpnk.net @veganpizza69@lemmy.world @veganpizza69@lemmy.vg @jerkface@lemmy.ca @TheTechnician27@lemmy.world @Sunshine@lemmy.ca @Aqua@lemmy.vg

  • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
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    4 months ago

    Generally very radical vegans also have a right to their own community, however I also think there should be spaces for less radical veganism as well. It seems that currently there’s none of those available, or maybe the general hostility of social media against vegans makes any of their more tolerant spaces eventually close ranks to protect their sanity. Unfortunately vegan spaces are constantly brigaded by trolls so it’s understandable they have a very short fuse, and a lot of people get caught in the cross-fire.

    I think the only solution here would be for a new vegan community with a focus on debate with non-vegans. However it will be tricky to find the right moderators for it who either won’t be non-vegans themselves and therefore support a flood of concern-trolls and bad faith arguments, or be vegans that won’t get immediately burnt out.

    • arcane potato (she/they)@vegantheoryclub.orgEnglish
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      4 months ago

      So, last time people were mad that vegans were mean to them this community got created:

      https://lemmy.world/c/plantbased

      Edit: I should finish my coffee before posting, the only post there literally points to this more active com lol: https://lemmy.world/c/plantbased@lemmy.dbzer0.com

      See: https://lemmy.world/post/23634881

      We all know r/vegan exists and is a cesspit of carnists, but there doesn’t seem to be an actual demand for a ‘plant based’ space. I’m not sure why people would post about something they are kind of meh and not committed to?

      If people are interested in just the food, there are communities for that:

      I really don’t think the rules there are onerous. Just don’t talk about abusing animals and don’t be a jerk to the other posters and you’re good?

      • ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        4 months ago

        Hey, I didn’t make plantbased to be a less committed version to veganism. I made it because from reddit to lemmy every vegan community I’ve encountered has power tripping toxic mods and I wanted to provide an alternative space.

        I’m fully committed to my veganism. But I also wanted people who aren’t to be able to discuss it without being attacked.

        After I wrote this I see you’re writing from a vegan instance. I have less experience with there versus vegan communities around here.

        • fartsparkles@sh.itjust.works
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          4 months ago

          The hardcore/toxic crowd do nothing except alienate and turn people against the cause and make people think being vegan means being surrounded by assholes.

          It’s people like you that welcome everyone into the discussion that inspire more people to try it out; you’re bringing about the real change.

          • NaevaTheRat [she/her]@vegantheoryclub.orgEnglish
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            4 months ago

            Lol, every vegan I know which includes a chunk of my own family went vegan because of militant vegans.

            I see lots of carnists with no intention of going vegan talk about how militant vegans are bad but I have never actually met someone who is vegan and stays vegan that found wishy washy people motivating or inspiring.

            • Soulg@sh.itjust.works
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              4 months ago

              You can be committed and firm on your issue without being a raging asshole about it at the same time. Most of the vegan communities I’ve come across don’t even talk about being vegan, it’s just finding more ways to shit on non vegans.

      • Plum@lemmy.world
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        4 months ago

        I’m apparently banned from vegan theory club. I have no idea what I could have done to them.