Headline aside, the thread pretty clearly outlines that the US side were doing everything to prevent an actual genocide, even suggesting the neighboring arab states secure the gaza strip temporarily.
The major quotes about genocide being the plan were by the Israeli military veteran and ambassador to the US Michael Herzog, not the US.
Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group, according to Merriam Webster dictionary. Genocide is the murder of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group, with the aim of destroying that nation or group, according to Oxford.
The fact that we’re still talking about Palestine under Trump means it wasn’t eradicated under Biden. I’m sure the Israelis always planned for Genocide but I’m sure Biden was working to prevent it.
The fact that you can listen to Stromae means that not all people of Tutsi descent are dead. There is no such thing as the Rwandan genocide! I guess since there are still Jewish and Romani people, the Nazi Party were not complicit in genocide either. Clearly not. Jewish and Romani people exist to this day. Some even live in Poland! What genocide? \s
You are a deeply unserious person. There is no chance in hell that you are arguing in good faith. You are arguing for the sake of arguing.
1.9 Million People live in the Gaza Strip, that’s 7 digits. Large numbers of them were displaced but still remain in Gaza, somewhere from 5 to 6 digits dead or injured, that leaves 7 digits still in Gaza. The Israelis and Trump’s Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth are talking about pushing all of them permanently out of the region, future tense.
The Rwandan Genocide happened, the Gaza Genocide is currently happening. It did not occur under Biden, would not have occurred under Harris.
1.9 Million People live in the Gaza Strip, that’s 10 digits. Large numbers of them were displaced but still remain in Gaza, somewhere from 6 to 7 digits dead or injured, that leaves 10 digits still in Gaza
Uh… What? 1.9 is 7 digits, of which there were conservatively estimated to be 6 digits of dead by mid-2024. By the most conservative estimate possible, more than 10% of Gazans were fucking dead by the time your dear Biden left office.
The Israelis and Trump’s Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth are talking about pushing all of them permanently out of the region, future tense.
Yeah Biden leaned on Egypt and Jordan to accept exactly the same thing also in mid-2024 and was told to go fuck himself. For now Israel is blocking out all aid, which is the exact same thing it did at the start of the war under Biden.
I’m sure the Israelis always planned for Genocide but I’m sure Biden was working to prevent it.
So the op is about how Biden was not doing anything to prevent it and how he was just letting them do whatever they wanted. Did you actually read any part of it?
Are you just arguing old talking points whenever you see people being critical of how Biden handled the situation?
I know this is a wordy response but you included a full fucking amnesty international article in your reply so if anything mine is much more concise.
The Amnesty International article your shared calls on USA, Germany, UK, and other key EU members to end shipments of arms to Israel. Full stop, that was never going to happen. To remove the largest strategic military position in the region is absolutely not on the table, whether we like it or not that is a fact. All of those nations, to some extent, heavily limited arms deals to Israel after the occupation began, which was good.
Hypothetically, if we did cut off all arms to Israel, then they would be surrounded by very angry adversaries that they have been fighting for almost a century. Israel would just become another slightly different genocide and you would be sitting there explaining it to the next generation the same way the old belligerent honkies are trying to explain it to us now.
The best possible outcome, in my opinion, would have been the USA removing Netanyahu from power by not acknowledging his authority after his previous removal for corruption and forcing a new election to be held in Israel.
The most realistic outcome would be propping up the Israelis, conditionally to the extent that they could lose some land to adversaries if they’re not following the rules, and also propping up Palestine starting with the rebuilding of their infrastructure and peacekeeping with foreign troops such that any attack on Palestinians could result in conflict with those nations.
1 which wasn’t an actual ceasefire, just a temporary one which Israel could use to rearm, which is why others vetoed it. There was even a vote later to have it turn into a permanent ceasefire but then the usa vetoed that.
The draft does not include provisions supporting ongoing diplomatic efforts to secure a ceasefire - an element of the U.S. resolution.
And
RUSSIA, CHINA OBJECTED TO U.S. RESOLUTION
Russia’s ambassador to the U.N., Vassily Nebenzia, said the U.S.-led resolution was “exceedingly politicized” and contained an effective green light for Israel to mount a military operation in Rafah, a city on the southern tip of the Gaza Strip where more than half of the enclave’s 2.3 million residents have been sheltering in makeshift tents.
“This would free the hands of Israel and it would result in all of Gaza and its entire population having to face destruction, devastation, or expulsion,” Nebenzia told the meeting.
He said a number of non-permanent members of the Security Council had drafted an alternative resolution and said there was no reason for members not to support it.
China’s U.N. ambassador, Zhang Jun, criticized the text proposed by the U.S. for not clearly stating its opposition to a planned military operation by Israel in Rafah, which he said could lead to severe consequences. He said Beijing also supported the alternative.
If you look back on your exchange with Gofer you’ll find that you brought up a topic completely different from Gofer’s point not once but twice. No matter your political beliefs, that’s not good faith discussion. If anything it’s the sort of thing we (as in everyone to the left of Reagan) make fun of when right wingers and tankies do it.
Gofer presented an article. I continued the discussion presented to me. If you don’t want your statement to include the entirety of an article, then maybe just quote a piece of it and use the article as citation.
10/ ➤ He also revealed there were internal discussions in Washington about Biden giving a speech to pressure Israel politically, possibly triggering new elections there—but Biden backed off.
And
17/ 5. Biden Backed Israel Even After Netanyahu Publicly Undermined & Insulted Him
➤ Biden once told Netanyahu he was “full of shit,” and hung up the phone mid-call. But as Ambassador Tom Nides put it: “Biden saw [Netanyahu] as a manipulator, a magician… But he stood by him through the end.”
The fact that you can type all that and not see the truth of my words is astonishing. I don’t pretend the Biden admin approach was good, but he very clearly did not want a genocide.
He never once promoted or sought any Israel single state solution and was openly speaking with neighboring islamic states about ways to maintain Palestine in some meaningful way. He withheld large bomb shipments that Israel paid for, the intention being to keep them from being used on the raid of Rafah. Biden would spend large amounts of time on the phone with Netanyahu, often swearing and criticizing him. The aid pier distributed millions of pounds of food directly to Gaza Strip, quite the “empty gesture” that other commenters claim.
You all might think that amounts to nothing, but it’s a hell of a lot worse now that Biden is gone and Trump is in charge. I place the blame squarely on the criminal Israeli leadership, Netanyahu should have been removed from power when he was tried for corruption several years ago.
He withheld 2000lb bombs but eagerly sent them everything else, even to the point of ignoring our own laws.
Biden would spend large amounts of time on the phone with Netanyahu, often swearing and criticizing him.
And yet gave him everything he wanted and covered for Israel in the un
The aid pier distributed millions of pounds of food directly to Gaza Strip, quite the “empty gesture” that other commenters claim.
That seemingly lasted only long enough to help do a military raid into gaza.
I place the blame squarely on the criminal Israeli leadership, Netanyahu should have been removed from power when he was tried for corruption several years ago.
Agreed. Although notice it didnt do anything to stop Biden from working with such a piece of shit.
Headline aside, the thread pretty clearly outlines that the US side were doing everything to prevent an actual genocide, even suggesting the neighboring arab states secure the gaza strip temporarily.
The major quotes about genocide being the plan were by the Israeli military veteran and ambassador to the US Michael Herzog, not the US.
Because there wasn’t an actual genocide in Gaza already? If they were trying to prevent a genocide they were failing miserably.
Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group, according to Merriam Webster dictionary. Genocide is the murder of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group, with the aim of destroying that nation or group, according to Oxford.
The fact that we’re still talking about Palestine under Trump means it wasn’t eradicated under Biden. I’m sure the Israelis always planned for Genocide but I’m sure Biden was working to prevent it.
The fact that you can listen to Stromae means that not all people of Tutsi descent are dead. There is no such thing as the Rwandan genocide! I guess since there are still Jewish and Romani people, the Nazi Party were not complicit in genocide either. Clearly not. Jewish and Romani people exist to this day. Some even live in Poland! What genocide? \s
You are a deeply unserious person. There is no chance in hell that you are arguing in good faith. You are arguing for the sake of arguing.
1.9 Million People live in the Gaza Strip, that’s 7 digits. Large numbers of them were displaced but still remain in Gaza, somewhere from 5 to 6 digits dead or injured, that leaves 7 digits still in Gaza. The Israelis and Trump’s Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth are talking about pushing all of them permanently out of the region, future tense.
The Rwandan Genocide happened, the Gaza Genocide is currently happening. It did not occur under Biden, would not have occurred under Harris.
EDIT: rough morning, digit numbers fixed
Uh… What? 1.9 is 7 digits, of which there were conservatively estimated to be 6 digits of dead by mid-2024. By the most conservative estimate possible, more than 10% of Gazans were fucking dead by the time your dear Biden left office.
Yeah Biden leaned on Egypt and Jordan to accept exactly the same thing also in mid-2024 and was told to go fuck himself. For now Israel is blocking out all aid, which is the exact same thing it did at the start of the war under Biden.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-concludes-israel-is-committing-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/
So the op is about how Biden was not doing anything to prevent it and how he was just letting them do whatever they wanted. Did you actually read any part of it?
Are you just arguing old talking points whenever you see people being critical of how Biden handled the situation?
I know this is a wordy response but you included a full fucking amnesty international article in your reply so if anything mine is much more concise.
The Amnesty International article your shared calls on USA, Germany, UK, and other key EU members to end shipments of arms to Israel. Full stop, that was never going to happen. To remove the largest strategic military position in the region is absolutely not on the table, whether we like it or not that is a fact. All of those nations, to some extent, heavily limited arms deals to Israel after the occupation began, which was good.
Hypothetically, if we did cut off all arms to Israel, then they would be surrounded by very angry adversaries that they have been fighting for almost a century. Israel would just become another slightly different genocide and you would be sitting there explaining it to the next generation the same way the old belligerent honkies are trying to explain it to us now.
The best possible outcome, in my opinion, would have been the USA removing Netanyahu from power by not acknowledging his authority after his previous removal for corruption and forcing a new election to be held in Israel.
The most realistic outcome would be propping up the Israelis, conditionally to the extent that they could lose some land to adversaries if they’re not following the rules, and also propping up Palestine starting with the rebuilding of their infrastructure and peacekeeping with foreign troops such that any attack on Palestinians could result in conflict with those nations.
I love you ignored the part of it being a genocide which is why I linked it.
And ignored the part of reading the article about how Biden refused to stop the genocide.
Now your argument is somehow rebuilding Palestinian land and doing peacekeeping, which again was something the us under Biden vetoed at the un
The US also proposed ceasefires to the UN which were also Vetoed by China.
1 which wasn’t an actual ceasefire, just a temporary one which Israel could use to rearm, which is why others vetoed it. There was even a vote later to have it turn into a permanent ceasefire but then the usa vetoed that.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-security-council-fails-pass-us-resolution-calling-immediate-ceasefire-gaza-2024-03-22/
And
I’m sure Russia and China are real worried about those people. /s
Dude, you know you’ve lost the plot when you’re resorting to deflecting and whataboutism.
Clearly my good faith discussion was wasted on you and Gofer.
If you look back on your exchange with Gofer you’ll find that you brought up a topic completely different from Gofer’s point not once but twice. No matter your political beliefs, that’s not good faith discussion. If anything it’s the sort of thing we (as in everyone to the left of Reagan) make fun of when right wingers and tankies do it.
Gofer presented an article. I continued the discussion presented to me. If you don’t want your statement to include the entirety of an article, then maybe just quote a piece of it and use the article as citation.
No its literally biden doing his best to let it continue
https://bsky.app/profile/dropsitenews.com/post/3lnvbkvojms2p
Further on
And
The fact that you can type all that and not see the truth of my words is astonishing. I don’t pretend the Biden admin approach was good, but he very clearly did not want a genocide.
Which parts od ot do you think are positive for biden?
Which parts do you think show he was against the genocide?
He never once promoted or sought any Israel single state solution and was openly speaking with neighboring islamic states about ways to maintain Palestine in some meaningful way. He withheld large bomb shipments that Israel paid for, the intention being to keep them from being used on the raid of Rafah. Biden would spend large amounts of time on the phone with Netanyahu, often swearing and criticizing him. The aid pier distributed millions of pounds of food directly to Gaza Strip, quite the “empty gesture” that other commenters claim.
You all might think that amounts to nothing, but it’s a hell of a lot worse now that Biden is gone and Trump is in charge. I place the blame squarely on the criminal Israeli leadership, Netanyahu should have been removed from power when he was tried for corruption several years ago.
He withheld 2000lb bombs but eagerly sent them everything else, even to the point of ignoring our own laws.
And yet gave him everything he wanted and covered for Israel in the un
That seemingly lasted only long enough to help do a military raid into gaza.
Agreed. Although notice it didnt do anything to stop Biden from working with such a piece of shit.