Ratheon is only up %45 since this time last year, do you think theyll be okay? Do they need to find more people to kill?
Don’t worry, the US is allegedly already bombing Syria.
I think this is another scheme to manipulate the stocks, some people will buy low and know when to sell, just before some staged drama by the administration to raise the prices suddenly
you can be more certain of this if the negotiations fall apart again by another poison pill from trump.
They are no longer defense stocks, they are war stocks. Department of War.
They were always for imperialist ambitions and genocide, from the outset.
Everyone has almost figured out what the Ukraine thing was all about all along.
And what is that.
turns out some people are a bit slow
I haven’t. Please explain.
Looking at the stock prices of US weapon manufacturers right after the Ukraine war started will answer all questions.
Correlation does not imply causation.
There’s an old saying in Texas, I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee, that says “fool me once, shame on…shame on you? You fool me, you can’t get fooled again!”
Wow. Yeah.
That explains nothing.
That’s because you need evidence in the form of a mushroom cloud.
No, but it gives a good place to start. The west has absolutely hollowed out and looted Ukraine, and used it as a battering ram to damage Russia as much as they could. The US blew up Nordstream specifically to try to decouple western Europe from cheap Russian gas. The US Empire, post-2014 Euromaidan coup, uses Ukraine similarly to how they use Israel, to secure its interests in the region.
… and I’m sure you have sources for those accusations, right?
Lmao your ass was not expecting sources
Yes, which part are you skeptical of? I think these are pretty clear at this point, though. Most of this is from comrade @yogthos@lemmy.ml
- Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBREA151VA/
- Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoW75J5bnnE | transcript
- Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/10/us-imperialism-and-the-ukraine-coup/
- Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made https://consortiumnews.com/2022/02/26/robert-parry-the-mess-that-nuland-made/
- Monthly Review Online, 2021: The Maidan massacre in Ukraine: revelations from trials and investigations https://mronline.org/2021/12/11/the-maidan-massacre-in-ukraine/
- Maidan coup thread https://archive.ph/BAxYc
- Coup details https://consortiumnews.com/2022/12/29/evidence-of-us-backed-coup-in-kiev/
- Don’t Get it Wrong: Ukraine and “Israel” are Both Tools of US-EU Imperialism
- An article from August 2021 advocating inflicting a military defeat on Russia in Ukraine to subjugate it and draw it away from China https://nationalinterest.org/feature/strategy-avoiding-two-front-war-192137
- An important piece that reveals Washington, via CIA paramilitaries, has been fighting a proxy war against Russia in the Donbas since, it’s implied, 2014. https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-secret-cia-training-program-in-ukraine-helped-kyiv-prepare-for-russian-invasion-090052743.html
- NYT coup coverage with CIA involvement https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html
- Nordstream US involvement evidence https://thegrayzone.com/2023/06/27/evidence-nord-stream-underwater-expedition/
- The US harvesting Ukraine for minerals https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-us-rare-earth-minerals-deal-8566241ea0e121a30437d845357055d8
So, there were these points you mentioned:
- The west has absolutely hollowed out and looted Ukraine
- used it as a battering ram to damage Russia as much as they could.
- The US blew up Nordstream specifically to try to decouple western Europe from cheap Russian gas.
- The US Empire, post-2014 Euromaidan coup, uses Ukraine similarly to how they use Israel, to secure its interests in the region.
The first two links are about US officials discussing who they’d like to see active in a Ukrainian government and who they don’t. Doesn’t relate to any of your points. Maybe the last, but simply discussing which people are currently doing what in another country during a state of turmoil doesn’t really say anything.
The counterpunch link is just weird… It’s just a long list of weird accusations and propaganda without any substance at all. Looking at the site, it’s not a neutral news source anyway, but that, too, doesn’t give any sources concerning any of your points beyond “look, western politicians visited Ukraine”. Well, no shit.
The Consortium News article starts with brandishing the opposition as a Neo-Nazi movement and disqualifies itself utterly by that within the first few sentences. Like, those are your sources? That’s insane.
The Monthly Review Online article is about the Maidan massacre. Not directly related to the points above.
Maidan coup thread: deals with the question “Is there any credible evidence that Ukraine’s 2014 revolution was due to a CIA coup”. Even if the answer to this was “yes”, it wouldn’t be relevant to any of the points above.
Coup details: same. Like, it keeps going on how the US influenced actors. Well, no shit. That’s what politicians do. I still don’t see the connection to the allegations stated above and the way it’s framed in the article is despicable.
“Don’t get it wrong”: “The EU doesn’t care about Ukrainian lives — in 2014, they supported a far-right coup”, nah, I’m out. “Far right coup”, what bullshit. This whole myth of Nazis taking over Ukraine is just ridiculous and any article that keeps iterating that Russian propaganda is not believable.
advocating inflicting a military defeat on Russia in Ukraine… Helping Ukraine defend itself against an invading agressor because it serves your interest as well doesn’t make your second point true. Russia could stop the war today if they simply stopped attacking another country. They don’t. It’s not the west that uses Ukraine, it’s Ukraine that uses the west’s interest to reduce Russian power to defend itself. You’re mixing up cause and effect.
Washington, via CIA paramilitaries, has been fighting a proxy war - bullshit. The article is about US people training Ukrainian people, not about the CIA fighting a war. Helping Ukraine defend itself doesn’t mean you’re “using it”. If you’re teaching somebody some self defense to no longer get beaten up by a bully, you’re not fighting a proxy fistfight. What a stupid take.
NYT coup coverage with CIA involvement - same.
Nordstream US involvement evidence - long, long article that ends up accusing Ukrainian nationalists. No US involvement mentioned.
The US harvesting Ukraine for minerals - and here it is, the one part that I agree with you and that I think is believable. And of all the points up there, this only partly backs up the last one, because “getting resources” isn’t really “securing its interest in the region” (or one might argue it’s even the opposite, considering historic precedence such as Versailles, but I guess Trump doesn’t think that far ahead). Yeah, that sucks. But still, there is no indication of the US or any other western state being the cause here - it’s just Trump, the Russian asset of all the people, trying to take advantage of a situation.
If this appeasement offer to russia actually comes to fruition, then serious armament initiatives in Europe will only gain steam.
This so called peace agreement is nothing but an invitation for a much larger war.
They should gain steam.
My worries is EU will literally go “oh thank god crisis over, let’s start pumping that Russian gas again and drop all investments into armaments, we won’t be needing those anymore!”
No idea why were both getting downvoted. Guess the tankies are out in full force…
I’ve had it with these motherfucking MLs on this motherfucking .ml
I don’t see why you’re surprised that there are Marxists on a Lemmy.ml comm.
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Right, which is why we keep posting theory at you which you refuse to read and keep correctly predicting the outcome of wars
hipster fascists
You must have us confused with Gavin McInnes.
Tankies have zero clue about actual Marxism.
Those clueless tankie dumdums and their Marxist wiki containing thousands entries and hundreds of books & articles…
- https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/ProleWiki
ProleWiki was first proposed as an idea on Lemmygrad. - https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Lemmy
Lemmy was created in August 2019 by two communist developers known as Dessalines and Nutomic. Their goal for Lemmy was to provide an open-source alternative to Reddit that anyone could self-host and federate with other Lemmy instances, effectively exchanging content between platforms.
- https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/ProleWiki
“Tankie” is just a pejorative for Marxists and anti-imperialists. The “tankie” is a strawman with ready-made characteristics that gets slapped on any Marxist or anti-imperialist that defends socialist countries.
and other ridiculous lies you can tell yourself
Oh how I wish piefed.world accounts could see grad comments…
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Please retire ableist insults.
The term was closely tied with the American eugenics movement.
tankies> I said it again, mom
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